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Old 10-23-2009, 05:17 PM
 
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so what did god empty of himself in john 1:1?
like he did when he came to earth?
My guess?.... as I wrote, that he emptied himself of his right to act as God so that he could rely completely on the Father for everything....as we humans all do...

My guess is also that the word we might use that we mostly understand would be the word "authority"....

The WORD was always God, but in the effort to save us the WORD became man.

still 100% God
Now also 100% man too
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Old 10-23-2009, 05:20 PM
 
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you said god deprived himself of deity, is that not the same as surrender his deity?

if not whats the difference?
Jesus did not deprive himself of his own Godhood...

A better way to understand what Jesus did was that he gave up some of the attributes of being God...like his authority.
This then allowed him to rely on the father...and that is important because unless Jesus had to rely on the father like we do we would never be sure his resurrection would be the same as ours...
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Old 10-23-2009, 05:23 PM
 
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Jesus was 100% god and man as it is taught by man, now if he emptied himself he could not be 100% of something because he let something go.

well.....not really...
God is always God
God will always be God

God cant become less God, or become more God.

Jesus is 100% God
and...
100% human

Jesus has 2 natures.
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Old 10-23-2009, 05:33 PM
 
Location: Seattle, Washington
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God did not change his nature...
God cant lie,
God cant be evil
God is always good
God always seeks the best for us.

But as we learn in John1:1, God became flesh and lived among us.

So the nature of the WORD never changed.
Yet Jesus had human emotions, which God does not have.. He was born and died yet God cannot be born or die.

(BTW-God is always good and seeks the best for us except when he annihilates some or tortures them for ever. LOL)
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Old 10-23-2009, 05:34 PM
 
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well.....not really...
God is always God
God will always be God

God cant become less God, or become more God.

Jesus is 100% God
and...
100% human

Jesus has 2 natures.
How is it that Jesus has 2 natures but God only has 1? Isn't God Jesus? Why can't isn't the reverse true?

Jesus is God but God isn't Jesus...?
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Old 10-23-2009, 05:51 PM
 
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Jesus was 100% god and man as it is taught by man, now if he emptied himself he could not be 100% of something because he let something go.
The point is that Jesus Christ did NOT empty himself. That is a bad translation from which the false doctrine of Kenosis has developed. The true doctrine of Kenosis is that He simply refrained from, or chose not to use His deity in accordance to the Fathers plan. That is a very big difference.

He did not deprive Himself of Godhood. He deprived Himself of the USE OF His deity. He chose, He made a choice to not use His deity. He never stopped being God.
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Old 10-23-2009, 05:55 PM
 
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Yet Jesus had human emotions,
Yes, very true!
Jesus is fully and 100% human!

as such he has to be just like me or else the text lies when it says: "The WORD became flesh"

If Jesus was less than human then that would mean his resurrection was moot and would be different that ours who are human.

But because Jesus was 100% human then we can trust that His resurrection of his human body will work for our humans bodies too.
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Old 10-23-2009, 05:58 PM
 
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. He was born and died
Yes, being that Jesus was 100% human as well as 100% God, he had the same human type body that all humans have.

It was his human body that died...

But remember, the nature of Jesus that is fully100% God Almighty did not die.....it cant.
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Old 10-23-2009, 05:59 PM
 
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The point is that Jesus Christ did NOT empty himself. That is a bad translation from which the false doctrine of Kenosis has developed. The true doctrine of Kenosis is that He simply refrained from, or chose not to use His deity in accordance to the Fathers plan. That is a very big difference.
There is no difference..

Phil. 2:7 says the same thing as Romans 8:3- For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh,

He was like sinful flesh even though he refrained from sinning. There is no bad kenosis or good kenosis.. there is no kenosis period.
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Old 10-23-2009, 06:02 PM
 
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Yes, being that Jesus was 100% human as well as 100% God, he had the same human type body that all humans have.

It was his human body that died...

But remember, the nature of Jesus that is fully100% God Almighty did not die.....it cant.
Then God was not Jesus but Jesus was God? Yet he ascended to his father and is still called Jesus which is the name of the flesh not spirit, right?

Do you also believe that the body of Jesus is not inhabited but is sitting lifeless at the right hand of God or are they 3 separate beings forevermore yet you say they are 1?
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