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Old 03-18-2011, 03:46 PM
 
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The victim of last weekend's brutal gang rape at her homecoming dance was a devout Christian who attended church three times a week and whose friends say had been looking forward to the homecoming dance for weeks.

Gang Rape Victim Is Devout Christian, English Honors Student - ABC News
That is terrible ... But i fail to see how it is any worse than when a Muslim woman or an atheist special ed student getting raped ...
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Old 03-18-2011, 03:53 PM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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If that isn't displaying why people are fed up with Christianity and so-called Christians, I don't know what is.

Didn't Christ teach love, forgiveness, not hatred and violence?
Well, Christ did teach those things but also that God will kill all those that do not follow his word regardless whether they live a good, caring, honest life.

So I do not see much of a problem for God to see a rapist and murderer executed. Well, in the Old Testament God had instituted laws to execute rapists, correct? So at some point at least he had not problem with getting rid of animals like that, take care.
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Old 03-18-2011, 03:57 PM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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This was a terrible thing and no young girl deserves this ,believer or nonbeliever. I honestly can't say what I would do to the perpetrators if it was my daughter,but I pray that someday that they may find the Lord and go to forgiveness for this heinous crime. There should be some type of crime or penalty on people who stand around and absolutely do nothing but watch and take pictures.
I agree with you. I would say that a fast way for them to find the Lord is to excute them, take care.
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Old 03-19-2011, 02:03 PM
 
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All that Christian love going round ...

Eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth ...

Has it ever occurred to anyone that the people who did this heinous crime are sick?

They certainly deserve to be punished and need to be in a correctional institution, but isn't this when loving ones enemies comes into action?

Or do Christians only love their enemies when their enemies are being nice to them?
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Old 03-20-2011, 06:30 AM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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All that Christian love going round ...

Eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth ...

Has it ever occurred to anyone that the people who did this heinous crime are sick?

They certainly deserve to be punished and need to be in a correctional institution, but isn't this when loving ones enemies comes into action?

Or do Christians only love their enemies when their enemies are being nice to them?
I am not a Christian. However, those Christians that do agree with executing those people does not mean they are not loving.

First, God did come up with the "Eye for and eye..." concept, did he not? He did set a precedence.

Sick? That is a very subjective word. Not everyone that commits henious crimes are necessarily sick. Some do not have respect for law, life, and human decency. A correctional institution in many of these cases will not correct anything in those people.

Loving your enemies? I have no problem with that idea. However, there is a criteria for that also. God, did come up with a concept that if someone commits adultery to get stoned to death, did he not? How serious is that compared to raping that young girl?
Also, people will be executed by God simply by not agreeing with his Bible regardless whether they live an honest, caring, and loving life, correct? How better is the God as interpreted in the Bible by loving Christians for bringing a judgement day on sinners that may simply not live according to the interpretations of the Bible?
Also, those people may not necessarily be Christian enemies. A Christian may agree in executing those people as deserved punishment, not out of hatred, something even God came up with.
I am a retired Soldier. Killing a war enemy does not necessarily mean a Soldier hates him. A good Soldier realizes that enemy has a family and may be a good human being doing his duty also, take care.
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Old 03-20-2011, 07:19 AM
 
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The word of God mandates capital punishment for certain kinds of crime. Murder of instance. Matthew 26:52 ''Those who take up the sword shall die by the sword.'' This is not a reference to a soldier, but to the criminal.

Rape is every bit as heinous a crime as murder. Criminals who commit these types of crimes should be executed. Not rehabilitated. Even if they could be rehabilitated, the fact remains that they must pay the price for what they did. And the penalty for some kinds of crime is death.
Rape is not as heinous a crime as murder according to the bible. The penalty is that the victim would be required to MARRY her rapist. Thank goodness that we don't live by these laws as this would be more punishment for the victim!
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Old 03-20-2011, 07:32 AM
 
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Um...killing 4 million Jews would fall under "thou shall not kill".....unless of course "god" tells you to kill. (bad father).
If I remember correctly, god commanded the killing of witches and unbelievers (I'm sure there are more examples too).
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Old 03-20-2011, 07:49 AM
 
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Of course this is an awful and horrible thing, it's SIN. SIN filled and degenerate. The brute beasts are full of a sickness and SIN. The people standing by are filled with SIN are cold, heartless, and without compassion or mercy just as the Bible says, "the love of many will grow cold."

How does anyone know this victim was a "devout Christian"? Just because she goes to church three times a week? Not hardly. The biggest mistake is on the parents for letting a so called "devout Christian" go to public school, and this "homecoming dance."

Moreover, her friend reported that the victim said upon entering the dance, "I can't wait to get my dance on!" Add to that that her confused parents had stated they, "didn't like her to stay after school." Right, but going to public school in the first place, and a homecoming dance was ok?

This is the wonderful twisted socialistic Godless country we bring our children up in, and this is the results of years of brainwashing by public schools and allowing children to be unshackled from God or the Bible.

Welcome to planet anarchy!
Millions of christians go to public schools and homecoming dances! What does this have to do with anything?
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Old 03-20-2011, 07:59 AM
 
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Yes it is.....trust me, had she not had anything to drink that night we would not be dealing with today.

Thats that a cold hard fact of life...


It is a lesson that all parents should teach their daughters...that getting that drunk is very dangerous.


I guess I think of it like this:
Yes, every day a lot of people that are not drunk get killed in car accidents.
Yes, lots of things can go wrong when you are in the car that have nothing to do with being drunk or not.

But if I hear a story of a young girl that drives into a lake and dies while she was drunk?
, I have to tell you straight out that if she would not have gotten drunk she might not have died.

I cant say it for 100% , that had the girl not gotten drunk that she would not be in that situation.
But I believe that is the case to a great extent...
For all you know, this girl being drunk could have saved her life. These boys were out to get someone that night and if she had been cornered by them sober and started to scream, they might have beat her up until she was unconscious anyway. Heck, they might have killed her if they thought she was in the right mind to identify them. Even if this girl had walked around naked, this would not give anyone the right to rape her.
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Old 03-20-2011, 08:10 AM
 
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Yes it is.....trust me, had she not had anything to drink that night we would not be dealing with today.

Thats that a cold hard fact of life...


It is a lesson that all parents should teach their daughters...that getting that drunk is very dangerous.


I guess I think of it like this:
Yes, every day a lot of people that are not drunk get killed in car accidents.
Yes, lots of things can go wrong when you are in the car that have nothing to do with being drunk or not.

But if I hear a story of a young girl that drives into a lake and dies while she was drunk?
, I have to tell you straight out that if she would not have gotten drunk she might not have died.

I cant say it for 100% , that had the girl not gotten drunk that she would not be in that situation.
But I believe that is the case to a great extent...
She may be drunk and if she did not MAYBE and that is a big MAYBE. I do not agree with you that if " I do agree that she being drunk may have been a contributing factor. However, that does not give anyone the right to rape her.

I am a rape and sexual assault victim advocate and go to assist victims at the hospitals when I am on call.
I do agree that the great majority of case have alcohol as a common denominator. But many people tend to focus on the girl being drunk than on the animals that raped her. That is sad to me when I read "I cant say it for 100% , that had the girl not gotten drunk that she would not be in that situation." You do agree there is not a 100% situation and yet you are still focused on what seems you are putting the blame on her. That to me is sad, take care.
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