Christ Has Once and for all Set Us Free (church, believing, scripture) - - Page 4 - City-Data Forum

ChristyGrl · 11-01-2009, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by pcamps

What do you mean

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What I mean is how ridiculous is it that God won't force anyone while you're alive (you have to make a choice)...but you bet your bippy He's gonna force you to bend your knee when you're dead....that has got to be the most moronic statement I have ever heard anyone make on this forum.

trettep · 11-01-2009, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike555

They will have denied it all their lives. But now at the Great White Throne judgment, standing before the very same Christ who first came into the world as the Savior, but who is now their judge, it will be different. Every unbeliever will begin his eternal sentence in the lake of fire, knowing exactly Who it is that they had rejected.

Mike see you don't realize that the only way someone can say that Jesus is Lord is by the Holy Spirit. So if your claiming that all those people in eternal torment will call Jesus Lord then it means they will have the Holy Spirit:

1Co 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

How do you fit that verse into your beliefs?

AONE · 11-01-2009, 09:15 AM

like the monkey captured by the apple in the vase, we are the only ones that keep ourselves from being "free".

Mike555 · 11-01-2009, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by trettep

Mike see you don't realize that the only way someone can say that Jesus is Lord is by the Holy Spirit. So if your claiming that all those people in eternal torment will call Jesus Lord then it means they will have the Holy Spirit:

1Co 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

How do you fit that verse into your beliefs?

When the Gospel is presented to the unbeliever, the Holy Spirit makes the Gospel, which is spiritual phenomenon, understandable to the hearer of the Gospel. If, once having understood the Gospel, that person makes a decison to believe in Christ, then the Holy Spirit makes the faith of that person effective for salvation. Those are two of the Holy Spirits ministries- common grace and efficacious grace.

Concerning the unbeliever who has rejected Christ during his lifetime,and is about to cast into the lake of fire at the end of the Millennium--Before being thrown into the lake of fire, everyone who rejected the opportunity that God provided for them to accept Christ as Savior, is going to know that they made the wrong decision. Free will exist's in time. Once you are in eternity your destiny is sealed. You will, as a result of your attitude concerning Christ in time, either have an eternal relationship with God, or you will be eternally separated from God.

Those who choose to reject Christ as Savior while alive, will, now that they are standing before Christ at the Great White Thone, be standing before Christ who is acting in His role of JUDGE. The unbeliever rejected Christ as Savior, and now, at the Great White Throne, Christ as JUDGE, is rejecting them. And at one point in time, every knee will be forced to bow and acknowledge that they made the wrong choice. And they will enter the lake of fire knowing that they made the wrong choice.

katjonjj · 11-01-2009, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by pcamps

Yes this sums up the spirit behind the teaching of ET . Quite clearly Fundamentalists believe in free will to an extent whereby God is such a gentlemen He will not force any to be saved , yet He will force them to bow the knee and confess before they are sent to fry.Sounds just like what happened in medieval Europe, actually in in Medieval Europe if you recanted you saved your skin.

Yes that is what I get from his post.. that God will force them to fry but won't force them to be saved even though he is the giver of salvation to begin with.

Verna Perry · 11-01-2009, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by katjonjj

Yes that is what I get from his post.. that God will force them to fry but won't force them to be saved even though he is the giver of salvation to begin with.

...YES!...I thought you'd never get it!!...Praise God!

MysticPhD · 11-01-2009, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Verna Perry

...YES!...I thought you'd never get it!!...Praise God!

Of course you thought she'd never get it . . . God is LOVE . . . who could EVER expect anyone to believe such vile and evil behavior from a loving god? Oh wait . . . Satan (the tormenter) could . . . and he would be right, apparently.

ChristyGrl · 11-01-2009, 01:56 PM

There are some on this forum that have some very sick and twisted ideas about who God is and what His plan is for humanity....that is extremely disturbing.

Verna Perry · 11-01-2009, 02:07 PM

What IS EXTREMELY disturbing...?...

...is when SOME call the pure Word of God twisted and sick...and when THEY also call God vile and evil because He will judge justly...according to your deeds...whether they be righteous or wicked!

ChristyGrl · 11-01-2009, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Verna Perry

What IS EXTREMELY disturbing...?...

...is when SOME call the pure Word of God twisted and sick...and when THEY also call God vile and evil because He will judge justly...according to your deeds...whether they be righteous or wicked!

It's extremely disturbing that some glory in their sick and twisted view of hell....and don't really know anything about God or His love and mercy.