What Does The Bible Say About the Ultimate Reconciliation of All (believing, scriptures)

[Mike555]

Originally Posted by AlabamaStorm

I also agree with Romans 10:17, Acts 16:31 and I Cor 1:18. But I disagree with the conclusions you've drawn therefrom. None of your conclusions are scriptural. When you state your conclusions, do you have any scripture to support your position?

For instance, you've stated: God the Holy Spirit makes the Gospel understandable to the hearer of the Gospel. Once you understand the issue in salvation, it is your responsibility to make the decision to believe.

Where does it state this in the scriptures?

John 16:7-11,13 Both the unbeliever hearing the Gospel, and the believer being exposed to Bible doctrine, require the ministry of the Holy Spirit in order to understand spiritual phenomenon.

Jesus taught the exact opposite. He states that the Gospel is hidden from the wise and understanding:

Mat 11:25 At that time Jesus answering said, `I do confess to Thee, Father, Lord of the heavens and of the earth, that thou didst hide these things from wise and understanding ones, and didst reveal them to babes.

I fail to see how Acts 16:31 and I Cor 1:18 support your conclusions. There is nothing here that states or suggests that anyone is saved "because" they believe or "because" of a decision they have made.

Salvation is of Jehovah, not man's doing:

Jon 2:9 And I--with a voice of thanksgiving--I sacrifice to Thee, That which I have vowed I complete, Salvation is of Jehovah.

Both Acts 16:31 and 1 Cor 1:18-21 make it absolutely clear that you must make a decision to believe in order to be saved, and yet you blatantly assert that they don't. That says it all right there. No point in discussing it any further.

Still, one last attempt to make it clear to you.

John 3:36 ''He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey (the command to believe) the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.''

[.sparrow.]

Originally Posted by Mike555

Both Acts 16:31 and 1 Cor 1:18-21 make it absolutely clear that you must make a decision to believe in order to be saved, and yet you blatantly assert that they don't. That says it all right there. No point in discussing it any further.

Still, one last attempt to make it clear to you.

John 3:36 ''He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey (the command to believe) the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.''

Those who do not believe...
YES. It is true the wrath of God abides on Him.
They do NOT see life.

YOU, Mike... do not see life.
Don't you all feel the wrath of God abiding on Mike...
How he carries this WRATH of God around on his shoulders.
Looking to lay it down on someone else?
Looking to put this WRATH on someone else's shoulders?

That's what so many (not all, but many) ET believers seem to be doing... look around for someone to lay this wrath that is lying on their shoulders on someone else.

This heavy burden.

Well, guess what? It is very simple... you just believe what Jesus Christ has done. What has Jesus Christ done? He has taken away the sin of the WORLD. The WORLD. The WHOLE ENTIRE WORLD.

Jesus Christ IS the SAVIOUR OF ALL MANKIND.
ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO BELIEVE.

WHY "especially"? Because, brother those who believe, those WHO BELIEVE SEE LIFE.

THEY SEE LIFE!!

It's a beautiful thing.

You just don't realize what Jesus Christ has DONE!

IT is finished.

Those who do not believe, God's wrath abides on them.
ABSOLUTELY.

They have not been set free.

What is freedom? Following Christ... seeking after the FRUITS of the spirit.

When a person abides in CHRIST, there is no need for the law, because there is nothing evil to restrain. That is the whole POINT.


One day, Mike....

God will be ALL in ALL.

And when that happens...
There will be NO EVIL to restrain.

Don't you all see the whole beautiful plan before you??

His plan is 100% perfect.

It is absolutely, completely,
M-A-G-N-I-F-I-C-E-N-T.

Well, even if you don't see it now.
It's ok. Because like it says in scripture over and over and over and over again... God will be ALL in ALL. EVERY KNEE WILL BOW.

HALLELUJAH.

[Mike555]

Originally Posted by .sparrow.

Those who do not believe...
YES. It is true the wrath of God abides on Him.
They do NOT see life.

YOU, Mike... do not see life.
Don't you all feel the wrath of God abiding on Mike...
How he carries this WRATH of God around on his shoulders.
Looking to lay it down on someone else?
Looking to put this WRATH on someone else's shoulders?

That's what so many (not all, but many) ET believers seem to be doing... look around for someone to lay this wrath that is lying on their shoulders on someone else.

This heavy burden.

Well, guess what? It is very simple... you just believe what Jesus Christ has done. What has Jesus Christ done? He has taken away the sin of the WORLD. The WORLD. The WHOLE ENTIRE WORLD.

Jesus Christ IS the SAVIOUR OF ALL MANKIND.
ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO BELIEVE.

WHY "especially"? Because, brother those who believe, those WHO BELIEVE SEE LIFE.

THEY SEE LIFE!!

It's a beautiful thing.

You just don't realize what Jesus Christ has DONE!

IT is finished.

Those who do not believe, God's wrath abides on them.
ABSOLUTELY.

They have not been set free.

What is freedom? Following Christ... seeking after the FRUITS of the spirit.

When a person abides in CHRIST, there is no need for the law, because there is nothing evil to restrain. That is the whole POINT.


One day, Mike....

God will be ALL in ALL.

And when that happens...
There will be NO EVIL to restrain.

Don't you all see the whole beautiful plan before you??

His plan is 100% perfect.

It is absolutely, completely,
M-A-G-N-I-F-I-C-E-N-T.

Well, even if you don't see it now.
It's ok. Because like it says in scripture over and over and over and over again... God will be ALL in ALL. EVERY KNEE WILL BOW.

HALLELUJAH.

John 3:36 ''He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does Not obey the Son shall Not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.

Matthew 25:41 ''Then He will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels. 46) ''And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.'' (This is Jesus Christ as Judge sending unbelievers away into the eternal fire.)

Volitional responsibility to make the decision to believe in Christ for salvation is placed upon us by God.

[Fundamentalist]

Originally Posted by Eusebius

Just because you agree with me doesn't mean we are friends now!

Hey, wait! If I'm reconciled with God and you are too . . . that means we should be friends even if we don't agree on every issue! I mean, God doesn't expect us to "get it all right or else He and I won't be friends," right?

Nice seeing you post Fundamentalist.

Not yet but Christians will be. Always by God's grace and mercy

[Eusebius]

Originally Posted by Mike555

John 3:36 ''He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does Not obey the Son shall Not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.

Matthew 25:41 ''Then He will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels. 46) ''And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.'' (This is Jesus Christ as Judge sending unbelievers away into the eternal fire.)

Volitional responsibility to make the decision to believe in Christ for salvation is placed upon us by God.

Matthew 25:41, 46 is not about a decision to believe in Christ. It is about Christ eternally torturing people in fire just because they failed to give a teeny cup of water to one of His brethren, or visit one of them in jail or clothe one of them. Does that sound like something Christ would really do?

[tgnostic]

Wow!!! The calling to Love is at opposing needs to Otherly Human apparitions. But the Words we seek for the project are both in the Past of Nature, and the Past of appropriate enacted communication.

It is such Hell to listen to the Pentagon and such places in the mean time.

[Mike555]

Originally Posted by Eusebius

Matthew 25:41, 46 is not about a decision to believe in Christ. It is about Christ eternally torturing people in fire just because they failed to give a teeny cup of water to one of His brethren, or visit one of them in jail or clothe one of them. Does that sound like something Christ would really do?

Do you believe the Word of God, or do you not!!!

[AlabamaStorm]

Originally Posted by Mike555

John 16:7-11,13 Both the unbeliever hearing the Gospel, and the believer being exposed to Bible doctrine, require the ministry of the Holy Spirit in order to understand spiritual phenomenon.

I quoted you Mat 11:25 that states the Gospel is hidden from the wise. Do you believe this? Where does it state that the Holy Spirit illuminates all who hear the Gospel? Jesus said it is hidden from the wise and understanding ones.

The wise always reject the Gospel. Not because the Spirit reveals it to them. But, as Jesus said, it is hidden from them.

Originally Posted by Mike555

Both Acts 16:31 and 1 Cor 1:18-21 make it absolutely clear that you must make a decision to believe in order to be saved, and yet you blatantly assert that they don't. That says it all right there. No point in discussing it any further.

Let's read Acts 16:31 again:

Act 16:31 and they said, `Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved--thou and thy house;'

How can someone "make a decision" for his house (household) to be saved? Did you not read what Jesus said:

Mat 10:34 `Ye may not suppose that I came to put peace on the earth; I did not come to put peace, but a sword;
Mat 10:35 for I came to set a man at variance against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law,
Mat 10:36 and the enemies of a man are those of his household.

The jailer, as well as his household, are commanded to believe on the Lord Jesus.

1 Cor 1:21 also describes believers in the present tense. Let's read it too:

1Co 1:21 for, seeing in the wisdom of God the world through the wisdom knew not God, it did please God through the foolishness of the preaching to save those believing.

Here, Paul describes who God saves and how he saves them. Believers are not saved because of their believing, but because of God saving. A vast difference.

Originally Posted by Mike555

Still, one last attempt to make it clear to you.

John 3:36 ''He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey (the command to believe) the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.''

It's very clear. But lets read what it says using correct tenses:

Joh 3:36 he who is believing in the Son, hath life age-during; and he who is not believing the Son, shall not see life, but the wrath of God doth remain upon him.'

The first part states "he who is believing in the Son" - present tense - "hath life age-during" - present tense.

The second part states: "and he who is not believing" - present tense - "shall not see life, but the wrath of God doth remain upon him" - also present tense.

We are discussing present conditions, not decisions to be made, as you suggest.

The issues we seem to disagree on are the causes and effects of salvation. Jesus summarizes it here for us:

Joh 3:8 the Spirit where he willeth doth blow, and his voice thou dost hear, but thou hast not known whence he cometh, and whither he goeth; thus is every one who hath been born of the Spirit.'

[Eusebius]

Originally Posted by Mike555

Do you believe the Word of God, or do you not!!!

Sure do, as long as it is the properly translated Word of God.

[Mike555]

Originally Posted by AlabamaStorm

I quoted you Mat 11:25 that states the Gospel is hidden from the wise. Do you believe this? Where does it state that the Holy Spirit illuminates all who hear the Gospel? Jesus said it is hidden from the wise and understanding ones.

The wise always reject the Gospel. Not because the Spirit reveals it to them. But, as Jesus said, it is hidden from them.

Already answered in a different post. Might have been on a different thread.



Let's read Acts 16:31 again:

Act 16:31 and they said, `Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved--thou and thy house;'

How can someone "make a decision" for his house (household) to be saved? Did you not read what Jesus said:

Mat 10:34 `Ye may not suppose that I came to put peace on the earth; I did not come to put peace, but a sword;
Mat 10:35 for I came to set a man at variance against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law,
Mat 10:36 and the enemies of a man are those of his household.

The jailer, as well as his household, are commanded to believe on the Lord Jesus.

1 Cor 1:21 also describes believers in the present tense. Let's read it too:

1Co 1:21 for, seeing in the wisdom of God the world through the wisdom knew not God, it did please God through the foolishness of the preaching to save those believing.

Here, Paul describes who God saves and how he saves them. Believers are not saved because of their believing, but because of God saving. A vast difference.



It's very clear. But lets read what it says using correct tenses:

Joh 3:36 he who is believing in the Son, hath life age-during; and he who is not believing the Son, shall not see life, but the wrath of God doth remain upon him.'

The first part states "he who is believing in the Son" - present tense - "hath life age-during" - present tense.

The second part states: "and he who is not believing" - present tense - "shall not see life, but the wrath of God doth remain upon him" - also present tense.

We are discussing present conditions, not decisions to be made, as you suggest.

The issues we seem to disagree on are the causes and effects of salvation. Jesus summarizes it here for us:

Joh 3:8 the Spirit where he willeth doth blow, and his voice thou dost hear, but thou hast not known whence he cometh, and whither he goeth; thus is every one who hath been born of the Spirit.'
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The Scriptures are clear. If you choose to reject them, then continue to do so. Or make the decision to open your eyes to the truth. Your choice.