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Old 11-04-2009, 01:19 AM
 
Location: Seattle, Washington
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My mother in-law's son was killed in the womb when a doctor inserted a needle to remove amniotic fluid from the sac, and got the baby in the head. Three weeks before delivery. Does it sound right that God would not have yet given a soul to a child that (like us), could feel hunger when it would suck it's thumb in the womb?? Or would he not give a soul to a child who used it's brain to think to suck it's thumb due to hunger??? Not the God who loves us more than we love each other.


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Why would a baby in uterus suck on it's thumb because of hunger? The placenta isn't doing it's job if the baby is hungry. I think that has more to do with the sucking reflex.
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Old 11-04-2009, 01:23 AM
 
Location: Rapid City, SD
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Why would a baby in uterus suck on it's thumb because of hunger? The placenta isn't doing it's job if the baby is hungry. I think that has more to do with the sucking reflex.
So you believe that the sucking is not a result of a human reaction, or human thought???
Just a process of growing to become a human???
Does this mean my mother in-law's baby never was???


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Old 11-04-2009, 01:35 AM
 
Location: Seattle, Washington
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So you believe that the sucking is not a result of a human reaction, or human thought???
Just a process of growing to become a human???
Does this mean my mother in-law's baby never was???


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ALMOST2L8
Has nothing to do with any belief of mine but from the study of midwifery. Babies receive food and oxygen through the placenta. The baby is never hungry in the womb unless something is terribly wrong with the placenta. And it is imperative that a baby learns how to suck as that is their only way to get of food after birth. Babies draw breaths of water too in the later stages because they will need the ability to use their lungs as soon as they are born. These don't indicate that the baby is not able to feel pain, or is without spirit.. just that they aren't hungry. I know that each of my children were different from one another in the womb from my perspective..

I don't know one way or the other but ... a loss is a loss and it is a tragic whatever your belief is.
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Old 11-04-2009, 01:39 AM
 
Location: Rapid City, SD
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Has nothing to do with any belief of mine but from the study of midwifery. Babies receive food and oxygen through the placenta. The baby is never hungry in the womb unless something is terribly wrong with the placenta. And it is imperative that a baby learns how to suck as that is their only way to get of food after birth. Babies draw breaths of water too in the later stages because they will need the ability to use their lungs as soon as they are born. These don't indicate that the baby is not able to feel pain, or is without spirit.. just that they aren't hungry. I know that each of my children were different from one another in the womb from my perspective..

I don't know one way or the other but ... a loss is a loss and it is a tragic whatever your belief is.
Thanks for clearing that up Kat, and Amen!!


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Old 11-04-2009, 01:45 AM
 
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Mike seems to state otherwise:
That would be why I said I TEND to agree with his identification of birth as the time God plants the "seed" of an eternal soul. But from conception on . . . we are definitely talking about a human being . . . it is never anything else just because the term fetus is used.
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So, Mike you are very, very wrong!
OK! . . . maybe ONE wrong.
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Old 11-04-2009, 01:49 AM
 
Location: Florida
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That would be why I said I TEND to agree with his identification of birth as the time God plants the "seed" of an eternal soul. But from conception on . . . we are definitely talking about a human being . . . it is never anything else just because the term fetus is used.
OK! . . . maybe ONE wrong.
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Old 11-04-2009, 01:50 AM
 
Location: Texas
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The line from unbelief to belief.. or did they all start out believers?
Oh - that line.
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Old 11-04-2009, 02:08 AM
 
Location: Germany
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this is also an interesting chart, with more biblical references and not following Talmudic myths

http://www.concordant.org/images/DIVINECAL11X17.jpg
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Old 11-04-2009, 02:18 AM
 
Location: Texas
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this is also an interesting chart, with more biblical references and not following Talmudic myths

http://www.concordant.org/images/DIVINECAL11X17.jpg
WOW!!!
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Old 11-04-2009, 02:25 AM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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You are very, very wrong Mike! God knew the name of this child before the foundation of the earth!
Yes. God knew the names of everyone before they existed. But before they existed they weren't human. Because they didn't exist. The omniscience of God knows everything, both actual-what will be, and potential-what might have been.

The biological processes that occur in the womb construct the house into which God places the soul at the point of birth. When the soul is placed into the body, then there is a resident in the house. Then there is human life. Until then, it is simply biological life only.
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