The Law is a tricky thing...love can be legalistic (women, Christ)

[ALMOST2L8]

Originally Posted by ChristyGrl

I believe we have to follow the "spirit" of the law that is written on our heart....totally different from following the "dead" letter of the law by performing.

Do you have children?? I do. Do you love them?? I do, Do you perform to show your love?? I do. I can just tell them I love a million times, but in showing them with hugs, kisses, comminication, and DISCIPLINE, I get their love and respect in return. I cannot simply say that I love them and then think that because I said it, it must be true!!!

[katjonjj]

Originally Posted by Harold Kupp

The Greek word for love (as in "Love God with" etc) is agape. It has nothing to do with emotion or affection as you are suggesting. In English - it would be the idea of sacrificial duty - apart from affection - as in Love your enemy.

The reality is that keeping God's commandments is HOW we love God and cannot be separated. You might have affection for God (phileo) but if you do not keep His commandments you do not love (agape) Him.


John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me:

1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

You may argue but it will not change the facts.

HK

I agree that the commandments are not grievous when you love God and you neighbor. I agree that affection and agape love are very different. I also know that agape love is the totality of all the "loves" combined including affection. Thus, every instance of love toward another is a testament to God's love in you.

However, there is a big difference between keeping the commandments and lovingly keeping the commandments.

What you are saying is that love hangs on the commandments. That if you do the commandments you love God. Right?

But the verse clearly states that the commandments hang on love. Therefore simply doing the commandment is in vain without love. In order to fully accomplish the commandment you must love your neighbor. It is a mindset or rather a heartfelt thing not just rules to follow.

[ALMOST2L8]

Originally Posted by Ironmaw1776

Indeed ... The fact is Paul tells us specifically that sin is in the very members of our bodies. It(sin) is the corruption in our flesh that causes us to die. I will believe a person no longer sins when that person transcends or lives for ever without dying.

You do realize that I said; I keep the commandments. All ten of them!!!

GOD BLESS!!!
ALMOST2L8

[Ironmaw1776]

Originally Posted by ALMOST2L8

You do realize that I said; I keep the commandments. All ten of them!!!

GOD BLESS!!!
ALMOST2L8

You do realize, i don't believe you ... Not for an instant!!!

[Verna Perry]

Originally Posted by ALMOST2L8

You do realize that I said; I keep the commandments. All ten of them!!!

GOD BLESS!!!
ALMOST2L8

God bless you Dale......brother...!

[ALMOST2L8]

Originally Posted by katjonjj

I agree that the commandments are not grievous when you love God and you neighbor. I agree that affection and agape love are very different. I also know that agape love is the totality of all the "loves" combined including affection. Thus, every instance of love toward another is a testament to God's love in you.

However, there is a big difference between keeping the commandments and lovingly keeping the commandments.

What you are saying is that love hangs on the commandments. That if you do the commandments you love God. Right?

But the verse clearly states that the commandments hang on love. Therefore simply doing the commandment is in vain without love. In order to fully accomplish the commandment you must love your neighbor. It is a mindset or rather a heartfelt thing not just rules to follow.

Right!! But, you are an adult correct??? When you go visit your parents for a week would you or would you not abide by their rules while you are there??? I would, by my love and respect for them, but because I love and respect them does not make my shoes come off when I walk in. I have to do that myself. Not neccesarily hard to do, but my love for them makes me work to show my love and appreciation to them. Before I moved out I used to have to take the garbage out. Now when I visit, I do it anyway, because I love them. So I work to prove my love to them. I don't work to prove it to my neighbor, but to them!!!


GOD BLESS!!!
ALMOST2L8

[ALMOST2L8]

Originally Posted by ironmaw1776

you do realize, i don't believe you ... Not for an instant!!!

lol

god bless!!!
Almost2l8

[ALMOST2L8]

Originally Posted by verna perry

god bless you dale......brother...!

god bless you, sister!!!

Almost2l8

[Ironmaw1776]

Originally Posted by ALMOST2L8

You do realize that I said; I keep the commandments. All ten of them!!!

GOD BLESS!!!
ALMOST2L8

And you do you realize you just got through lying(breaking the one of the 10 commandments) in as many posts ... ?


First you said ...

Good point!! But I would never tell anyone that I do not lie, I do not this, or I do not that. But if I do not lie, I keep it between me and God. Most would not believe me when I tell them which commandments I have learned to keep. But also why I do not gloat about keeping any of them. Until I can abide by all of God's law then I have broken all of them!!!

And then you said ...

I keep the commandments. All ten of them!!!

You lied about the fact that you said you would never say what you then proceeded to say ...

[Verna Perry]

Originally Posted by harold kupp

that was a very good post fundy - logical and rational - until you said:




If it was impossible to keep them why would god command us to do it? It is impossible for those who are called but have not truly repented and received the holy spirit.

That is the case of most on this forum - they are believers who have not been converted; believers who have not repented and received the holy spirit by whose power we are able to obey.

If we cannot keep the commandments (stop committing sin) then all of the following standards and tests are nonsensical absurdities.

1 john 3:6 whosoever abideth in him sinneth not:

1 john 3:8 he that committeth sin is of the devil;

1 john 3:9 whosoever is born of god doth not commit sin;

1 john 5:18 we know that whosoever is born of god sinneth not;

1 john 2:3 and hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

1 john 2:4 he that saith, i know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 john 5:3 for this is the love of god, that we keep his commandments: And his commandments are not grievous.

Jesus:
Matthew 19:17 and he said unto him, why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is, god: But if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.


on this forum we have the testimony of those who are the children of god and those who believe but are not yet children of god.

Both describe the spiritual reality in their lives accurately - one group says they cannot keep the commandments and the other says they can.

Those who cannot keep them are often belligerent and attack those who simply quote the scriptures as i did above. Their reaction is understandable - if those scriptures are correct then even though they believe they remain children of the devil and lost.

In a sense they are fighting for their lives. The scriptures make them feel condemned and rather than repent they attack those who quote god and say "they are heaping condemnation on me".

Sadly - this situation will never stop and has always existed when someone says "repent or be lost". That is what jesus said and the religious believers of his time wanted to kill him. It is the same today for those who quote jesus.

Hk

amen brother!