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See the Biblical and Scientific proof that the Earth and Universe are billions, not thousands of years old. See proof that Noah's flood was regional, not global. No "Young Earth" arguments are scientific or Biblical--NOT ONE!
NOT ONE! ehhhh? L. Ray Smith...you heretic you
I am not saying old earth is heresy because I am not that is just for L.ray Smith abhorrent, cultist teaching but old earth Christians have not thought things through.
I have a question which is yet to be answered by any old earther I have met, a question that basically changed my position so please feel free to answer and please no opinion or philosophy, fight scripture with scripture and don't use that "a thousand years is like a day to God" because I am pretty certain that Jonah did not spend 3,000 years in the belly of a fish
Genesis 1:31 31God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.
If the world is millions of years old then there would have had to have been animals living on the planet for millions of years and not one of them dieing because obviously sin had not entered into the world, causing the fall so how could a loving, merciful God allow a creative process that would involve the suffering and death of multitudes of innocent animals, in the process of arriving at man millions of years later and what would be the reason for their suffering and death if the creation was very good?
So when did death enter into the world because if it was before Adam and Eve then why would God call the creation, "very good" if death was already present or did the animals live for a "reeeeeeally long time"?
Last edited by Fundamentalist; 11-05-2009 at 09:39 AM..
I dont think the Bible says that animals were kept from death until after the sin of Adam...
I know that is why I am asking. If the planet is billions of years old well then the animals are just as old because how could they die if sin hadn't entered the world?
No it does not specify animals. it says CREATION. Which is everything. The world was a FAR different place then we know it today. old earthers have a lot of problems when it is challenged biblically. They are trying to fit the Bible into scientific constraints created by man. Perhaps the correct method here, since the Bible does not definitelt clarify either way, is to show "scientifically" the earth CANNOT be billions of years old, but actually less then 10,000.
No it does not specify animals. it says CREATION. Which is everything. The world was a FAR different place then we know it today. old earthers have a lot of problems when it is challenged biblically. They are trying to fit the Bible into scientific constraints created by man. Perhaps the correct method here, since the Bible does not definitelt clarify either way, is to show "scientifically" the earth CANNOT be billions of years old, but actually less then 10,000.
That's not what L. Ray Smith says. He says, "No "Young Earth" arguments are scientific or Biblical--NOT ONE! "
That's not what L. Ray Smith says. He says, "No "Young Earth" arguments are scientific or Biblical--NOT ONE! "
Maybe you should take it up with L. Ray Smith. You can email him if you want.
Also maybe you should read what he has to say about old earth vs. young earth creation. He does say more than that one quote on the front of his page. He has written pages and pages on this. That might help. Or maybe I'm mistaken and you've already read it?
As far as I have read...(and I have read a lot of things)...There is no Bible verse that says that the animals were not dieing before he sin of Adam and Eve.....
So as far as I an see, there is no problems here with evolution and with an Earth that is millions, if not billions of years old
Maybe you should take it up with L. Ray Smith. You can email him if you want.
Also maybe you should read what he has to say about old earth vs. young earth creation. He does say more than that one quote on the front of his page. He has written pages and pages on this. That might help. Or maybe I'm mistaken and you've already read it?
I appreciate that but I have the bible to give me the truth of old earth vs young earth. I have pretty much heard every argument, many is not even biblical and doesn't answr the hard question like the one I posed in this thread.
Look the facts are that the earth is very very old,,,millions if not billions of years old.
Anyone who disagrees is in error.
I dont know who this one author is, but if he or anyone else supports a "Young Earth" idea I totally reject his teachings in total...he is clue-free....
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