God's Simple Plan of Salvation (Jehovah, baptism, trinity, Baptist)

[AlabamaStorm]

Originally Posted by Mike555

My edification is just fine. As a universalist you pervert the Gospel and make God out to be a liar. Until you make a decision to believe in Christ as the scriptures repeatedly say, the work of Christ on the Cross is not applied to you, and you remain under condemnation. And unless you come to a realization of that fact, you will find out the hard way, after it is too late, that you have made a terrible and irreversible mistake.

I do believe the Gospel. That's why I know my sins were forgiven 2000 years ago, in Christ, on the cross. And how do I know this? Because I believe the Gospel, in that Christ died for my sins and God raised Jesus from the grave to justify me, the sinner, thats how I know it. I believe the truth of the Gospel. And what a wonderful truth it is!

1Co 15:1 And I make known to you, brethren, the good news that I proclaimed to you, which also ye did receive, in which also ye have stood,
1Co 15:2 through which also ye are being saved, in what words I proclaimed good news to you, if ye hold fast, except ye did believe in vain,
1Co 15:3 for I delivered to you first, what also I did receive, that Christ died for our sins, according to the Writings,
1Co 15:4 and that he was buried, and that he hath risen on the third day, according to the Writings,

I would encourage you to believe the Gospel also

[Reverend1111]

Originally Posted by Vessif

Better be sure you have it right......there will be many in Hell......For those who REPENT and BELIEVE in Jesus Christ and Trust in Him and Him alone for their salvation.....their Eternity is SECURE in Christ

I believe in what Jesus taught. And I didn't say anything about hell. Hell is a correction place only. It's not eternal unless man decides on that fate and then, eventually, that man will no longer exists if he so chooses. So, hell is still not eternal.

My etenity and immortality are definately secure. I don't need the bible to know that. I have God's Divine Love in my soul and It grows everyday.

[Reverend1111]

The Gospel that Jesus taught is to Love God with all your heart, mind and soul and to Love your neighbor. Anything beyond that is just extra. What does it matter to a Kingdom believer when all things earthly fail. When you put your trust in a book, where does that leave God? When you put you trust in material things, where does that leave God? When you put your trust in words on a page without taking the action, where does that leave your soul? If you want to enter the Kingdom of God and learn the true salvation that Jesus taught while He's was alive, you have to look within and build your foundation on solid rock. That rock is Divine Love. In no other way will you be saved from sin and error. Start praying for Divine Love and as it enters your soul, and cleanes that which has defiled it, whether its errors in actions or beliefs, you will soon discover that which is not real so that you can then know what is actually real and Truth.

[leorlionheart]

Two words to keep it plain and simple...
Repentance and faith...
Repentance toward God and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ....

Be save today for tomorrow will be too late...

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[Mike555]

Originally Posted by AlabamaStorm

I do believe the Gospel. That's why I know my sins were forgiven 2000 years ago, in Christ, on the cross. And how do I know this? Because I believe the Gospel, in that Christ died for my sins and God raised Jesus from the grave to justify me, the sinner, thats how I know it. I believe the truth of the Gospel. And what a wonderful truth it is!

1Co 15:1 And I make known to you, brethren, the good news that I proclaimed to you, which also ye did receive, in which also ye have stood,
1Co 15:2 through which also ye are being saved, in what words I proclaimed good news to you, if ye hold fast, except ye did believe in vain,
1Co 15:3 for I delivered to you first, what also I did receive, that Christ died for our sins, according to the Writings,
1Co 15:4 and that he was buried, and that he hath risen on the third day, according to the Writings,

I would encourage you to believe the Gospel also

Your sins weren't forgiven at the Cross. They were judged. Pre-salvation sins are forgiven at the point of believing in Christ for salvation. Post-salvation sins are forgiven when you name those sins to God the Father as per 1 John 1:9.

If a person does not believe in Christ, the result is this.

John 8:24 ''I said therefore to you, that you shall die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you shall die in your sins.'

[Vessif]

Originally Posted by Mike555

The Gospel is the good news about salvation, and it is simple, and it is this. We are sinners and therefore under comdemnation, but God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Christ will be saved. End of story.

Absolutely.......Decievers will always try to create confusion regarding the GOSPEL......but the Truth is crystal clear for those who are guided by the Holy Spirit......Thanks Mike....

[AlabamaStorm]

Originally Posted by Mike555

Your sins weren't forgiven at the Cross. They were judged. Pre-salvation sins are forgiven at the point of believing in Christ for salvation. Post-salvation sins are forgiven when you name those sins to God the Father as per 1 John 1:9.

If a person does not believe in Christ, the result is this.

John 8:24 ''I said therefore to you, that you shall die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you shall die in your sins.'

Well, lets see what the bible has to say about this :

Rom 4:7 "Blessed are those whose lawlessnesses are forgiven, and whose sins are covered;
Rom 4:8 blessed the man to whom the Lord will in no way charge sin."

Col 2:13 And you, being dead in the deviations and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all the deviations,

1Jn 2:12 Little children, I write to you because you have been forgiven your sins through His name.

And when were my sins forgiven?

Heb 7:27 who has no need, as do the high priests, to offer sacrifices day by day, first for His own sins, then for those of the people. For He did this once for all, offering up Himself.

Heb 9:12 nor through the blood of goats and of calves, but through His own blood, He entered once for all into the Holy of Holies, having procured everlasting redemption.

And what did he accomplish by so doing?

Heb 9:12 nor through the blood of goats and of calves, but through His own blood, He entered once for all into the Holy of Holies, having procured everlasting redemption.

And now you're going to proclaim that my sins were not forgiven by Jesus at the cross? And that He did not obtain an everlasting redemption?...LOL...

Your doctrine is more sick than I thought...LOL It's because you do not believe the Gospel or what Jesus accomplished for you on the cross. Believe the Gospel.

And yes, I believe that Jesus is who he claimed to be: The Son of God, One with His Father, or to summarize it like Thomas, Jesus is: My Lord and My God. And yes, I do believe and trust in Jesus for my salvation. And yes, I confess my sins to Him for daily cleansing.

But it is not my trusting Him or confessing to Him that saves me, but rather His forgiving my sins and His resurrection that declared me righteous, that is what saves, as the Gospel proclaims. It is Christ's work that saves, not our works or what we do. Do you really not understand this?

Our faith and trust in Jesus is the grace of the Spirit's work in our hearts and the Gospel bearing it's good fruit. But the fruit of the Gospel, if you will, should not be confused with the Gospel itself.

[Vessif]

Originally Posted by Reverend1111

I believe in what Jesus taught. And I didn't say anything about hell. Hell is a correction place only. It's not eternal unless man decides on that fate and then, eventually, that man will no longer exists if he so chooses. So, hell is still not eternal.

My etenity and immortality are definately secure. I don't need the bible to know that. I have God's Divine Love in my soul and It grows everyday.

God is a God of Love.....He is also a God of Justice....ALL MEN(& Women) are Sinners....some more; some less; degree of sin is not the issue......Unless your sins are covered by the blood of Christ at Calvary you will face the righteous wrath of a HOLY GOD......In LOVE and MERCY God provided for the salvation of man thru the perfect sacrifice of Christ....The sins of man were laid upon HIM......Those who do not REPENT and TRUST(Faith)Christ for their Salvation are headed for the Lake of Fire.....The judgement......Don't gamble on your eternity.....wake up

[AlabamaStorm]

Originally Posted by Vessif

Absolutely.......Decievers will always try to create confusion regarding the GOSPEL......but the Truth is crystal clear for those who are guided by the Holy Spirit......Thanks Mike....

There is no confusion in the Gospel my friend. The only confusion is one's inability to see it. And quite frankly, one cannot believe it, or see it, until the Spirit of God gives one the grace to do so:

Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, Truly, truly, I say to you, If one is not generated from above, he is not able to see the kingdom of God.

[MysticPhD]

Originally Posted by AlabamaStorm

But it is not my trusting Him or confessing to Him that saves me, but rather His forgiving my sins and His resurrection that declared me righteous, that is what saves, as the Gospel proclaims. It is Christ's work that saves, not our works or what we do. Do you really not understand this?

Our faith and trust in Jesus is the grace of the Spirit's work in our hearts and the Gospel bearing it's good fruit. But the fruit of the Gospel, if you will, should not be confused with the Gospel itself.

In a way you are both right, Alabama. It is the work of Jesus in creating the human connection to the Father for all of us . . . saving us from permanent separation from God. But it is our achieving "resonance" (harmony) with Jesus in "love of God and each other" that provides the "grace" (Jesus's love for us ALL) that enables us to enjoy the benefits of that permanent connection to the Father. You emphasize the connection Jesus created and Mike emphasizes the "resonance" (he calls it belief . . . thinking Jesus's ego requires specific acknowledgment or God will be eternally wrathful).