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I am not here to give you a solution or tell you which is wrong or right just to show universal healthcare from a biblical view.
Seven arguments for Universal healthcare
1.Jesus and the Apostles healed-Matthew 10. To support their message, healing miracles was to point to the messiah. God loves the poor and loves to heal but that is not a mandate for universal healthcare
2.Jesus said, love the poor- Obviously we should love the poor and we do. In the United States any household that makes less than $50,000 dollars is placed in the poor bracket but the bible defines poor as not people who live togther in a two bedroom apartment or one bedroom and in many of these apartments you can find xbox 360, HDTV, the bible describes the poor as people out in the streets in a box who cannot help themselves either through a disease or calamity and the bible points to those are the people who we should be helping, the really hurting people not just people who would like to have a higher lifestyle.
3. Romans 13 (promotes general welfare)Romans 13 defines the role of government...you will be hardpressed to find universal healthcare
4. Justice-So people can have a nice quality of life, a more even playing field, everyone sharing the american dream regardless of ethnicity, class, genderbut that is not justice in the bible, justice in the bible is that if someone does something bad then they are punished it is not equality for everybody
5. Kingdom of God-The social gospel Christians say, we need to bring the kingdom of God to this earth-The bible is clear that our job is not to make the world a better place for people to go to hell from, it is mostly to be proclaiming the gospel, helping the poor first off inside of the body and second outside the body
6. Equality- This is not a biblical principal; opportunity? yes but equality and lifestyle? No
7. Greed, dishonest gain- The healthcare companies are making money off sick people, is that immoral? the bible does not say people can't make a profit, the bible does have a problem however with how they are doing it, if they are crushing the people then that is not just.
Seven arguments against universal healthcare
1. Do not steal-You shouldn't take stuff from one and give it to another and when we force people through government to help other people- that is still stealing
2. Apostle Paul-"Do not work, do not eat" There are lazy people not all who will benefit from such a program and they are not willing to work for it. No where does the bible condone slothful people receiving benefits
3. End of life issues- abortion-Abortion is wrong period and despite the governement play on words because abortion is a part of healthcare, abortion will be funded by us (how can it not) Christians with our hard earned money taken away from from us that can be doing the lord's work but instead will be doing evil.
4. Rationing- Deciding who gets healthcare- How does God see me vs a woman; different color, class etc....? He sees us as the same but this program demands that certain people will be provided a different quality of lifestyle or they will be deemed more valuable so we can give them help but not the other guy. That is not biblical
5. Old Testament pattern is owner through which we provide mercy and safety nets for the really poor.Universal healthcare does not do that
6. Debt- Verybad not biblical at all
7. Inheritance-what are we leaving to our children? DEBT and again not biblical
I'm suprised a Calvinist believes there should be no deciding who and who doesn't get healthcare, when you believe when it comes to alvation you believe God does decide .
Point 5 Against
It's a shame that the system didn't believe His Mercy endureth forever Psalm 136 verse 1 (Hang on doesn't forever mean eternal in the eyes of a Calvinist) i'm all confused now
We have a nation full of people with no concept of value - self serving, and entitled to their own definition of "need". We throw stereotypical darts at the one drawing checks from unemployment, welfare, wic, etc. and filling their bellys while his/her illegitimate children suffer; but the entrepreneurial go-getter who looks to be the model for a better world is often just as corrupt - what drives his/her life long chase for the "good life"?
This is the arena to which we throw our policies into.
With all due respect for our government and policy makers, the moral state of our nation is - in spiritual terms - more important than our natural well being: so says the bible, right? So let Her fall on Her face I say, though it may hurt severely; this is the high price of holiness for a nation. There's an old saying that even a fool can learn from history.
With all due respect for our government and policy makers, the moral state of our nation is - in spiritual terms - more important than our natural well being: so says the bible, right?
Yes, the heart is the most important thing but AISI the government needs to stay out of spiritual issues. Their job is to keep the peace, enforce the liberties provided by the constitution etc. The spiritual side of things happens within individuals and should not be legislated in any way shape or form.
As far as UHC - the bottom line is that top notch medical technology is expensive to administer. Administering, let's say, a cat scan or MRI to anyone who needs it in a 300,000,000 plus population is simply cost prohibitive. Keeping every elderly person alive as long as possible with cutting edge medical technology is expensive as well. It can easily take the full income of several housholds to sustain 1 person.
So it's a very complex issue. Everyone wants everyone to be cared for but with costs at thousands per day for one individual it's simply not possible to sustain that type of care at this time. Even if we put ALL of our resources into it which (of course) is not possible.
So there is no easy answer. We are mortal, we suffer and we'll do the best we can as we hash all these issues out. Look for more conservative backlash coming soon. Some people are terrified.
All that said - communism would work great if the human heart was in it's proper spiritual situation, ie: if everyone truly cared for another as themselves. At this time, with greed and corruption and selfishness still prevailing, communism is an absolute disaster - no doubt.
All that said - communism would work great if the human heart was in it's proper spiritual situation, ie: if everyone truly cared for another as themselves. At this time, with greed and corruption and selfishness still prevailing, communism is an absolute disaster - no doubt.
Exactly - with all my heart I would love for democracy to fall and one King to reign, and you know His name! Man's heart is desperately wicked (Jer 17:9), and just because the majority (of wicked people) want something, who says it's right?
Exactly - with all my heart I would love for democracy to fall and one King to reign, and you know His name! Man's heart is desperately wicked (Jer 17:9), and just because the majority (of wicked people) want something, who says it's right?
I'm a socialist in a red state.
Many Jer 17:9 proponents forget about this: Proverbs 20:27, "The spirit of man is the candle of the Lord, searching all the inward parts of the belly."
That's how someone like William Wilberforce could appeal to conscience and have the massive/lucrative/legal/popular/corrupt/barbaric British slave trade abolished in a few short years.
The kingdom of God is in the hearts of men now - no need to wait for some literal kingdom.
You say "just because the majority of 'wicked' people want something"? What about: "Call not what God has cleansed unclean"?
LE - people (AKA: God's children) want to not be in pain, people want to be healthy. What's wrong with that? The desire isn't wrong but as I stated earlier - expensive high tech care for all is finacially unsustainable until some people's hearts get freed from greed.
The kind of negativity some evangelicals espouse is one of the great hindrances to the advancement of the kingdom IMO. Not necessarily saying you fit that mold bro. - just saying that if you see all mankind as simply "desperately wicked" instead of presently and universally being delivered from sin by God's sovereign will and grace then it's a dark picture indeed. Personally I believe in the universal present power of the good news to change everything. I have Mr. Wilberforce and many others as proof that it works.
I am not here to give you a solution or tell you which is wrong or right just to show universal healthcare from a biblical view.
Seven arguments for Universal healthcare
1.Jesus and the Apostles healed-Matthew 10. To support their message, healing miracles was to point to the messiah. God loves the poor and loves to heal but that is not a mandate for universal healthcare
2.Jesus said, love the poor- Obviously we should love the poor and we do. In the United States any household that makes less than $50,000 dollars is placed in the poor bracket but the bible defines poor as not people who live togther in a two bedroom apartment or one bedroom and in many of these apartments you can find xbox 360, HDTV, the bible describes the poor as people out in the streets in a box who cannot help themselves either through a disease or calamity and the bible points to those are the people who we should be helping, the really hurting people not just people who would like to have a higher lifestyle.
3. Romans 13 (promotes general welfare)Romans 13 defines the role of government...you will be hardpressed to find universal healthcare
4. Justice-So people can have a nice quality of life, a more even playing field, everyone sharing the american dream regardless of ethnicity, class, genderbut that is not justice in the bible, justice in the bible is that if someone does something bad then they are punished it is not equality for everybody
5. Kingdom of God-The social gospel Christians say, we need to bring the kingdom of God to this earth-The bible is clear that our job is not to make the world a better place for people to go to hell from, it is mostly to be proclaiming the gospel, helping the poor first off inside of the body and second outside the body
6. Equality- This is not a biblical principal; opportunity? yes but equality and lifestyle? No
7. Greed, dishonest gain- The healthcare companies are making money off sick people, is that immoral? the bible does not say people can't make a profit, the bible does have a problem however with how they are doing it, if they are crushing the people then that is not just.
Seven arguments against universal healthcare
1. Do not steal-You shouldn't take stuff from one and give it to another and when we force people through government to help other people- that is still stealing
2. Apostle Paul-"Do not work, do not eat" There are lazy people not all who will benefit from such a program and they are not willing to work for it. No where does the bible condone slothful people receiving benefits
3. End of life issues- abortion-Abortion is wrong period and despite the governement play on words because abortion is a part of healthcare, abortion will be funded by us (how can it not) Christians with our hard earned money taken away from from us that can be doing the lord's work but instead will be doing evil.
4. Rationing- Deciding who gets healthcare- How does God see me vs a woman; different color, class etc....? He sees us as the same but this program demands that certain people will be provided a different quality of lifestyle or they will be deemed more valuable so we can give them help but not the other guy. That is not biblical
5. Old Testament pattern is owner through which we provide mercy and safety nets for the really poor.Universal healthcare does not do that
6. Debt- Verybad not biblical at all
7. Inheritance-what are we leaving to our children? DEBT and again not biblical
The bible talks about universal health care? will wonders never cease!
"In the United States any household that makes less than $50,000 dollars is placed in the poor bracket but the bible defines poor as not people who live togther in a two bedroom apartment or one bedroom and in many of these apartments you can find xbox 360, HDTV, the bible describes the poor as people out in the streets in a box who cannot help themselves either through a disease or calamity and the bible points to those are the people who we should be helping, the really hurting people not just people who would like to have a higher lifestyle."
I really dislike generalizations and judgements. Your statements are full of both.
The 2009 Poverty Guidelines for the
48 Contiguous States and the District of Columbia Persons in family Poverty guideline
1 $10,830
2 14,570
3 18,310
4 22,050
5 25,790
6 29,530
7 33,270
8 37,010 2009 Federal Poverty Guidelines
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