Originally Posted by Gideon7620
Gideon said, Satan has deceived many into believing Jesus is going to fly them away soon; that is a lie of the devil himself. The return of Christ brings the millenial reign on earth. Jesus does not come to only run away from Satan, but rather he comes to judge the earth with the saints and to reign upon it as king of kings. There is not such thing as a secret, hidden, pre-tribulation rapture found anywhere in scripture. Those that think Jesus is coming to take them from tribulation are delusional. Revelation 19 clearly shows us the wedding taking place after the Great Tribulation.
The Book of Revelation cannot be read as in chronological order; neither can Matthew chapter 24.
Explain God's forewarning this church at Thyatira and the consequences thereof within;
I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first. 20
Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. 21
And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. 22
Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation
, except they repent of their deeds. 23
And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
Explain God's promise in His exortation to this church at Philadelphia:
Revelation 3: 10
Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. 11Behold, I come quickly:
hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. 12
Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God,
and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God:
and I will write upon him my new name. 13
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
These be the saints taken away that comes back with Him.
It is not some dreamy escape for the pretribulation rapture is judgment falling on the House of God first: 1 Peter 4:17 As Jesus taught excommunication to the wayward brethrens, so will He do. Due to the falling away of the faith: 1 Timothy 4:1-2, many will find themselves left behind for labouring in unbelief like the foolish virgins and/ or living in sin like the prodigal son... but both shall be restored to the path of righeousness for His name's sake although there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth at the loss of their first inheritance, but God will wipe away the tears from their eyes of all those that are His coming out of the great tribulation.
Revelation 20: 1
And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2
And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3
And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. 4
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them:
and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Who were the ones sitting on the thrones to judge those under the altar that were slain?
Who were the slain under the altar that describes them specifically as the ones only coming out of the great tribulation?
How can they be be risen after Satan was defeated if Jesus was coming back with the saints to defeat the devil?
How is it that this is the first resurrection but yet the rest of the dead are not raised until later on?
Pretribulationism is so diametrically opposed to the scriptures and God's truth, that it could not be more opposite of what is actually recorded.
It is hidden as parables are.
2 Thessalonians 2: 3
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first
that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9Even him
, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders
Verse 9 is referring to a former event from verse 8 and yet how can that be when His coming is at the Mount of Olives to do battle at the valley of Armegeddon?
The Lord will judge the House of God by His appearing as that is the seperating of the sheep from the goats: the chaste brides from the foolish virgins and the prodigal sons. This is how the saints are found slain in Babylon after the voice of the bride and the bridegroom will no longer be heard in her anymore because the rapture has occurred.
Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.
Three harvests makes up the Kingdom of God. First is the pretribulation rapture: second.. after the great tribulation:... third after the 1000 year reign of Christ.
Luke 12: 37
Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them. 38
And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants. 39
And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through.
The first watch reward is sitting down at a meal. Verse 39 refers to the falling away of the faith as many do in chasing after the Holy Spirit when He is in them as promised for coming to and believing in Jesus Christ. By believing a lie that there is more of the Holy Spirit to receive thus preaching another spirit to receive, disregarding Matthew 9:17 and Colossians 2:5-11 & Ephesians 1:12-15 & Galatians 3:14,26, & 1 Corinthians 12:13 & Ephesians 4:4-6, God permitted a strong delusion for not holding to the love of the truth of Christ in us after being bought and sealed as His.
Note the drive in these verses:
2 Corinthians 11:1
Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me. 2
For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. 3
But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received,
or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
And for climbing up another way: John 10:1 ignoring the only way to God the Father is through the reconciled relation through Jesus Christ: John 14:6, they fail to relate to the Bridegroom as the chaste bride of Christ.
Luke 13: 24Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able
When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are
Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. 27
But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. 28
There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out. 29And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God. 30
And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last.
That is the work if iniquity that the Lord will rebuke on the House of God.
Because of the Nicene Creed and unscriptural hymnals and the RCC practise of seeking charisma, the way has been broadened to approach God by seeking the Holy Spirit and addressing Him and even praying to the Holy Spirit as some hymnals do, but no one can honour God the Father by honouring the Holy Spirit: they can only honour God the Father by honouring the Son Whose name is above every other name... and that is the standard of judgment that is coming on the House of God as Jesus warned about false prophets coming in, broadening the way: Matthew 7:13-27.
John 5: 22
For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23
That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
It is specific and cannot include the Holy Spirit to be honoured when that is not the reason why the Holy Spirit is sent to dwell in us to do, but to lead us to honour the Son and thereby the Father so as to avoid false spirits masquerading as the "Holy Spirit" with signs and lying wonders as well as false prophets.
As it is, religion and rudiments in the world in how they seek after spirits and worship spirits, God would call them out of the world to a personal relationship with Him through Jesus Christ to be witnesses of the Son and not of anything in the world with Him to seek his glory which is the role of the Holy Spirit Whom is God also, but seeks to testify and to glorify the Son as should we that are led by Him: John 15:26-27 If the Holy Spirit will not speak of Himself in seeking the glory of the Son, John 16:23-24 : then we that are led by the Spirit of God should be doing what the Holy Spirit is doing and the reason being is Jesus' name is above every other name Philippians 2:5-11 and the Son is the only way that God the Father is glorified through: John 13:31-32 & John 17:1-5.
So there is a need for judgment to fall on the House of God first and that is what the pretribulation rapture is all about
: claiming the chaste bride and restoring the wayward to the path of righteousness for forgetting their first love by the event of His appearing.
There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth by which those coming out of the great tribulation will have God wiping the tears from their eyes to get over that great loss of missing out of the Marriage Supper of the Lamb.
May all those that name the name of Christ depart from iniquity by trusting their Good Shepherd and Saviour to have them ready as a vessel unto honour in God's House.
2 Timothy 2:18
Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. 19Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work. 22
Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart. 23
But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes. 24
And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 25
In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 26
And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
Colossians 1:20And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him,
I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. 21
And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled 22In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: 23If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister; 24
Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church: 25
Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God; 26
Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: 27
To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: 28Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus: 29
Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.
1 John 3: 3
And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, 25
To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.
So the call to be ready is now. Churches need to narrow the way back to Jesus in having that relationship with God through the Bridegroom for that is Whom the Holy Spirit in them is still pointing believers to go to as the scriptures do also.
Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 40
And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.