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Old 12-11-2009, 09:52 PM
 
Location: Seattle, Wa
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Tell me where it says that he will not be physically reigning and tell me where it says in heaven alone.
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And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then [I saw] the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received [his] mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

Look up Dan 7 now
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Old 12-11-2009, 10:09 PM
 
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And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then [I saw] the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received [his] mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

Look up Dan 7 now
Great job - you just pulled a millenial reign verse out of Daniel's prophecy of the last kingdoms on earth. We will reign with him, we (Christ's faithful)are part of this judgement against the kingdom of the antichrist, who is judged and the unholy dominion on earth is taken away.... to be replaced forever with an everlasting kingdom of the Most High.

Anyone who tries to deny what scruipture is telling us on this is very close to becoming one of those described in 2 Peter 3:3-4. You must defend Christ on this point or you are dangerously close to godlessness and apostasy (Hebrews 6:4-6)
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Old 12-12-2009, 07:01 AM
 
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Jesus Christ will reign for 1,000 years in the earth, but you will not see him because his resurrected body is spirit, you will not see him in Jerusalm at the temple like the hope of the church today. You will not see him preaching at the local church, everybody will see him at Judgement Day. Some people see him who are called to see him for calling. Jesus said ``Blessed is though who have believed and not seen`` His spirit will have authority of the renewed earth through the resurrected body of Christ and the new people born into the earth for 1,000 years. Jesus will be here by being one with his spirit and the people. The devil will be gone demons will be gone false prophet, antichrist, harlot of babylon, seven heads beast will be gone. Worship The Lord God free throughout the earth. As time wanes sin unfortunately does come back to the earth and with it the abyss opens a demons, devils come out. Jesus said through a prophet back in the 1940s about this `` Cursed is thoughs people who sin after the new millenium`` After years sin come and the wars of Gog and magog bringing antichrist back to the earth to the last days to Judgement Day Who is Gog and Magog, these nations are names The Lord God uses that were nations names before Noah ark flood Judgement, The real nations names are not known who will fight in thoughs days before Judgement Day
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Old 12-12-2009, 09:13 AM
 
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No.
John 18:36
Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jews. But now my kingdom is from another place."

There will never be a earthly kingdom.
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Old 12-12-2009, 10:01 AM
 
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It is my firm belief that the resurrected Christ WILL descend in glory from the sky and WILL reign as King of Kings and Lord of Lords on this earth for a thousand years.


Below are a few scriptures and comments about that Millennial reign of Jesus Christ. If the links don't work for you click the following link to go to the original reference page:

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/gs/m/32



1. The thousand-year period of peace will begin when Christ returns to reign personally on the earth.

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/a_of_f/1/10#10


2. People will not lift up sword, neither learn war any more.

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/isa/2/4#4

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/2_ne/12/4#4

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/micah/4/3#3


3. Land that was desolate is become like the garden of Eden.

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/ezek/36/35#35.


4. They lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/rev/20/4#4.


5. Because of righteousness, Satan has no power.

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/1_ne/22/26#26.


6. I will dwell in righteousness on earth a thousand years.

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/29/11#11.


7. When the thousand years are ended, I will spare the earth for a little season.

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/29/22#22.


8. The great Millennium shall come.

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/43/30#30.


9. Children of the righteous will grow up without sin.

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/45/58#58.


10. Children shall grow up until they become old; men shall be changed in the twinkling of an eye.

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/63/51#51.


11. In the beginning of the seventh thousand years, the Lord will sanctify the earth.

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/77/12#12.


12. They live not again until the thousand years are ended.

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/88/101#101.


13. Satan shall be bound for a thousand years.

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/88/110#110.


14. The Millennium is described.

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/101/23-34#23.


15. For a thousand years the earth shall rest.

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/moses/7/64#64.



http://scriptures.lds.org/en/gs/m/32




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23 And prepare for the revelation which is to come, when the veil of the covering of my temple, in my tabernacle, which hideth the earth, shall be taken off, and all flesh shall see me together. 24 And every corruptible thing, both of man, or of the beasts of the field, or of the fowls of the heavens, or of the fish of the sea, that dwells upon all the face of the earth, shall be consumed;


25 And also that of element shall melt with fervent heat; and all things shall become new, that my knowledge and glory may dwell upon all the earth.


26 And in that day the enmity of man, and the enmity of beasts, yea, the enmity of all flesh, shall cease from before my face.


27 And in that day whatsoever any man shall ask, it shall be given unto him. (so why commit crime?)


28 And in that day Satan shall not have power to tempt any man.


29 And there shall be no sorrow because there is no death.


30 In that day an infant shall not die until he is old; and his life shall be as the age of a tree;


31 And when he dies he shall not sleep, that is to say in the earth, but shall be changed in the twinkling of an eye, and shall be caught up, and his rest shall be glorious.


32 Yea, verily I say unto you, in that day when the Lord shall come, he shall reveal all things—


33 Things which have passed, and hidden things which no man knew, things of the earth, by which it was made, and the purpose and the end thereof—


34 Things most precious, things that are above, and things that are beneath, things that are in the earth, and upon the earth, and in heaven.


http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/101/23-34#23


Regarding verse 29 it is my opinion that it refers to the fact that during the Millennium death as we know it today ceases to be. When it is time for a mortal to die they are instantly resurrected without pain, discomfort or weakness, their body not even falling to the earth. And they remain visible to loved ones and others around them so there's no sorrow or sense of loss. So, no death!
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Old 12-12-2009, 10:23 AM
 
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Great job - you just pulled a millenial reign verse out of Daniel's prophecy of the last kingdoms on earth. We will reign with him, we (Christ's faithful)are part of this judgement against the kingdom of the antichrist, who is judged and the unholy dominion on earth is taken away.... to be replaced forever with an everlasting kingdom of the Most High.

Anyone who tries to deny what scruipture is telling us on this is very close to becoming one of those described in 2 Peter 3:3-4. You must defend Christ on this point or you are dangerously close to godlessness and apostasy (Hebrews 6:4-6)
Rev. 20:4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

The people who are give authority to judge on thrones are (according to Jesus):

Luke 22:29-30 And I confer on you a kingdom, just as my Father conferred one on me, so that you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom and sit on thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

He is speaking to the disciples (12) after the Last Supper. These are the ones who are on the thrones...in the blue type above.

The souls of those who were beheaded and had not received the mark are who came to life and reign with Christ.

Where do you see any other promise of anyone else reigning with Christ?
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Old 12-12-2009, 10:50 AM
 
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Great job - you just pulled a millenial reign verse out of Daniel's prophecy of the last kingdoms on earth. We will reign with him, we (Christ's faithful)are part of this judgement against the kingdom of the antichrist, who is judged and the unholy dominion on earth is taken away.... to be replaced forever with an everlasting kingdom of the Most High.

Anyone who tries to deny what scruipture is telling us on this is very close to becoming one of those described in 2 Peter 3:3-4. You must defend Christ on this point or you are dangerously close to godlessness and apostasy (Hebrews 6:4-6)
Souls don't reign on earth. The last kingdom is already here. Salvation is realized for all of us...not postponed. We are only under one covenant now. Thnking that there will be sacrifices in the millenium is not only a type of AOD, it is sheer nonsense.
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Old 12-12-2009, 11:21 AM
 
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Souls don't reign on earth. The last kingdom is already here. Salvation is realized for all of us...not postponed. We are only under one covenant now. Thnking that there will be sacrifices in the millenium is not only a type of AOD, it is sheer nonsense.
You have expressed your opinion and stated that what others believe is "sheer nonsense". With respect for your right to believe whatever you want to believe, it is my opinion that your opinions as expressed are incorrect, possibly even, to use your own words, "sheer nonsense".

Except that I don't understand what you mean by "sacrifices" duing the Millennium. Are you referring to animal sacrifices such as those performed by the Jews in the Old Testament?
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Old 12-12-2009, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Chicago, Illinois
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No.
John 18:36
Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jews. But now my kingdom is from another place."

There will never be a earthly kingdom.

I agree, the kingdom DOES NOT COME WITH OBSERVATION!!!!! (Luke 17:20-21)
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Old 12-12-2009, 03:43 PM
 
Location: Seattle, Wa
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You have expressed your opinion and stated that what others believe is "sheer nonsense". With respect for your right to believe whatever you want to believe, it is my opinion that your opinions as expressed are incorrect, possibly even, to use your own words, "sheer nonsense".

Except that I don't understand what you mean by "sacrifices" duing the Millennium. Are you referring to animal sacrifices such as those performed by the Jews in the Old Testament?
Sheer nonsense is my opinion based on the view and the inability of it to grasp the simplistic text, where it says "souls"......this wasn't directed at anyone in particular, just the view itself, so please don't take it as such. Views change, but the scripture never does.

Many that believe this "millennial" period is in parallel with Zech 14, where animal sacrifices occur FWIW.
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