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I'm personally indebted to my Savior because He paid (it) my debt in full and this is why i love Him .
If the debt is paid for , why are fundamentalists saying we are still in debt ?
19how that God was in Christ -- a world reconciling to Himself, notreckoning to them their trespasses; and having put in us the word of the reconciliation,
So it's clear God has forgiven and not God will forgive.He either is or isn't reckoning our trespasses against us.
Eusebius i looked at this statement of yours yesterday and was scratching my head , this morning it dawned on me what you are saying.
It seems to me you are saying , If a christian believes this statement of yours it it reveals how shallow their faith really is .
Why is that verse pulled out of context? Maybe because it sounds pretty, and conforms to the doctrinal beliefs held by a few?
In verse 17 it makes it clear who this is directed at:
Therefore IF anyone is IN Christ, {he is} a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come.
Does it say everyone is IN Christ? No it doesn't. See the IF? That word right there says not everyone is IN Christ. Next 2 verses, since they are a continuing sentence?
Now all things are from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation, namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
What things are from God? It says ALL things. This implies both old and new things, right? From verse 17. Makes sense, since God created everything.
Also, it says "who reconciled US to Himself, through Christ". Who is the US? Well, from these verses we see the US is those given the message of reconciliation, and has sent then out to deliver the message. They already have the "new things". They are IN Christ. They are sharing the hope with those who do not have this.
The rest of the world? Reconciling actively. This is the message. Jesus died for the whole world. But the reconciliation is not done, but rather, being done. Only when a babe in Christ crys out for forgiveness, is his sins forgiven, and their trespasses are not counted against them. It doesn't say they already are forgiven. It also doesn't say everyone will be forgiven. Unless I am missing something, which can be the case.
No it say that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself not reckoning their trespasses against them , (then it goes on to say) this is the message God has given us (you and i) as ambassadors to take to the world on His behalf.
It is clear as crystal that is what it is saying . Read it again . This is why Jesus said it is finished , if it was not He would have to keep dying over and over again.
The debt is either paid or it isn't , if you think your debt was paid when you believed , you are believing wrong , when you put your faith in Christ your sins (debt) were already paid for
No it say that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself not reckoning their trespasses against them , (then it goes on to say) this is the message God has given us (you and i) as ambassadors to take to the world on His behalf.
It is clear as crystal that is what it is saying . Read it again . This is why Jesus said it is finished , if it was not He would have to keep dying over and over again.
The debt is either paid or it isn't , if you think your debt was paid when you believed , you are believing wrong , when you put your faith in Christ your sins (debt) were already paid for
Reconciling does not mean reconciled. One is present tense, and the other is past tense. One is active, the other is finished.
So how can it be active, yet still be finished?
The debt was paid for, 2000 years ago. Acknowleging that the debt was paid for, and living like it has been paid for, is what begins the process of being a child of God, a joint heir with Christ Jesus.
Hense the Prodical Son parable.
To the father, the son was dead, until he came back home.
Since being on this forum, I have prayed and mediated on God's word . . .but I believe the message of scripture is clearer when we line up all the fence posts . . . not just taking a few verses here and there.
As painful as it may be . . . .the theme, running trhough the New Testament, and coming out of Jesus's mouth is that NOT ALL will be saved.
Therefore IF anyone is IN Christ, {he is} a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come.
Since being on this forum, I have prayed and mediated on God's word . . .but I believe the message of scripture is clearer when we line up all the fence posts . . . not just taking a few verses here and there.
As painful as it may be . . . .the theme, running trhough the New Testament, and coming out of Jesus's mouth is that NOT ALL will be saved.
Therefore IF anyone is IN Christ, {he is} a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come.
Our King said they would not all be, and yet,,,there are those who discount even His Words.
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Why is that verse pulled out of context? Maybe because it sounds pretty, and conforms to the doctrinal beliefs held by a few?
