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Old 08-21-2010, 11:19 PM
 
Location: Seattle, Washington
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Didn't you see this...........
Seems to me you believe the top one here:

http://mono.whatevz.net/images/OP_Diagram9ggQ27.jpg (broken link)
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Old 08-21-2010, 11:22 PM
Status: "ask why me ... rather than why not them" (set 6 hours ago)
 
Location: arizona ... most of the time
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How can Jesus be God when he clearly stated that the Father is greater than him? John 14:28

Also, how can Jesus be God if he doesn't know the day or the hour of the beginning of the tribulation?
Philippians 2:6-7
"Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness."

That's how .... as in the form of a servant, Jesus didn't grasp the equality that was his prior being found as a servant.
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Old 08-21-2010, 11:26 PM
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Seems to me you believe the top one here:
No, never have.
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Old 08-21-2010, 11:58 PM
 
Location: Seattle, Washington
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No, never have.
Well... not sure if you read the OP but that is what the thread is about... the difference between Oneness and Trinity...

Perhaps since the thread NEVER remained on topic we could see how much of a discussion we can actually have over the topic.

What is the difference in the two illustrations that you disagree with the top one? I see tons of Jesus worship that seems to me to be more oneness than trinity. That is why I started this thread in the first place.
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Old 08-22-2010, 10:56 AM
 
Location: Seward, Alaska
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No such thing as trinity---John 8:24
Epistle John mentions 3 bearing record in heaven and earth each
but it's no different then saying water is liquid wet and ice cold
and vapor vanishing. No different then saying superman in the
air flying and Clark Kent in human form as well as a ghost if you can't see him.

Father in creation of the world before man---John 14:9.
Son in redemption for man making a human body that his---John 3:16.
Holy Ghost the bible book Word---John 6:63.

Water symbol John 3:5 being born again in water.
Blood symbol John 3:16 with atonement.
Word symbol the bible book Word again---John 6:63


First 3 bearing record in heaven.
Next 3 bearing record on earth.

Each set of 3 == Jesus or God the whole time.

No such thing as a trinity---Hebrew 13 and John 8:58.

No father nor desecendents in Jesus---Hebrews 13 and John 8:58.

The Father making himself a Son and a written bible Word--John 1:1, 14.

Jesus is both the Son and God while trinity doctrine says the Son only ----John 8:24.

Trinity doctrine is a heresy doctrine to go to the Lake of Fire in hell ----John 8:24

If there is "no such thing as trinity", then please explain who Jesus prayed to, while he was here on earth. Did He pray to Himself? If He is the same person as the Father and the Holy Spirit, what then would be the point in Him praying at all?
If the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are all one and the same person, (as the Oneness doctrine claims) then please explain why Jesus does not know the day and hour of His return. (only the Father knows) If they were all the same person, wouldn't Jesus also KNOW the day and hour of His return? Does part of His brain not communicate with the other part, and that's how He doesn't know?

Bud
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Old 08-22-2010, 02:06 PM
Status: "ask why me ... rather than why not them" (set 6 hours ago)
 
Location: arizona ... most of the time
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Well... not sure if you read the OP but that is what the thread is about... the difference between Oneness and Trinity...

Perhaps since the thread NEVER remained on topic we could see how much of a discussion we can actually have over the topic.

What is the difference in the two illustrations that you disagree with the top one? I see tons of Jesus worship that seems to me to be more oneness than trinity. That is why I started this thread in the first place.
Simple
The Father is God
The Son is God
The Holy Spirit is God

They are not three Gods; but one God.

The Father uncreated; the Son uncreated; and the Holy Ghost uncreated.

The Father unlimited; the Son unlimited; and the Holy Ghost unlimited.



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It is incorrect to say that:
  • Jesus is the Father.
  • There are three Gods
  • Jesus is not to be worshiped
  • Jesus being true God is inferior to the Father
  • When Jesus said that the Father was "greater" but not take context into account nor understand the role of being "found in as a "servant" means.
Jesus voluntarily laid aside his equality with the Father and the Holy Spirit. There is no "personages" as some understands and believes them to be.
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Old 08-23-2010, 10:20 AM
 
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Default Food for thought

We would be like Lucifer if we had revelation of God too much.

People talk to themselves counting on their fingers or reading.
Is that right ?
Why can't Jesus or God do the same thing ?

Again like Clark Kent transforming back to his Superman role.

Jesus knows but it's not for man to know like him----Acts 1.

He got to know if he admit he the Father too---John 14:9.

How he can be 3 roles in one in the Godhead is
mysterious yet the book ---1 Timothy 3:16.

We knew how we would be messed up like Lucifer.







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If there is "no such thing as trinity", then please explain who Jesus prayed to, while he was here on earth. Did He pray to Himself? If He is the same person as the Father and the Holy Spirit, what then would be the point in Him praying at all?
If the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are all one and the same person, (as the Oneness doctrine claims) then please explain why Jesus does not know the day and hour of His return. (only the Father knows) If they were all the same person, wouldn't Jesus also KNOW the day and hour of His return? Does part of His brain not communicate with the other part, and that's how He doesn't know?

Bud
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Old 08-23-2010, 11:42 AM
 
Location: Canada
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Philippians 2:6-7
"Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness."

That's how .... as in the form of a servant, Jesus didn't grasp the equality that was his prior being found as a servant.
That is NOT what that scripture says, you have reversed it.

It was not while Jesus was in the form of a servant that He didn't consider EQUALITY with God something to be grasped at, it was BEFORE He made Himself nothing that He didn't consider EQUALITY with God something to be grasped at.

Jesus in His God form and in His human form never was and never will be the Father.
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Old 08-23-2010, 12:08 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Only God can save! Sometimes we cannot fathom God coming so personally, so human, so emotionally, with all the love of the universe to become the creation, He had created. This is why He can save so completely. God personally and physically came to save us. Only God can save!
You say this is why God can save so completely, but then you teach that He will lose most of men's souls to Satan. That does not make any sense at all. If God is sovereign and he is not willing that any should perish, can his will be thwarted? Of course not. Hezekiah started a thread with a very good question... "Why is the Creation groaning in travail for the manifestation of the sonS of God?" What is the purpose of their manifestation?
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