The New Jerusalem: Foundation 12 Apostles Names (HaShem, doctrine, women, scripture)

[hljc]

There is a ministry Jesse Duplantis who went to Heaven some 22 year ago supernaturaly and told of his visit to Jesus that heavens city had 12 foundations like the vision of Apostle John and , he said that the first three name on the foundation were : Peter, Paul, John and all the olders followed..... he wrote a book of the accounts called `` Close encounters of the God-kind``........and he does have a testimony on youtube of the account of his trip to Heaven , he said that Jesus Christ came right out of the body of the Lord God Almighty, from what he could see of the Lord God which was not a lot, only HIS feet.....he said he tried to go closer the the Lord God but he got so heavy that he was on his knees.............. Glory to God

[Eusebius]

Originally Posted by Marks

Only 12 it's Paul. God never recognized Matthias that was a decision by Man not God.

It can't be Paul because Paul and the *Uncircumcision* believers of the nations have a celestial or heavenly destiny during the new earth age.

Peter and the eleven have an earthly destiny. They will rule over the 12 tribes of Israel.
Matthias will be the 12th.

[Eusebius]

Originally Posted by hljc

There is a ministry Jesse Duplantis said that the first three name on the foundation were : Peter, Paul, John and all the olders followed

If that is Jesse's rendition then it is a false vision. Paul will never have his name on the New City Jerusalem because he won't be on the earth during that age.

Anybody can have visions in their heads and write a book of what they saw. It doesn't mean their vision is correct.

[Notanexpert]

14The wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb

Because it states the twelve apostles of the Lamb, the 12th disciple must be Judas as the Lamb indicates those that had been choosen by Jesus. Many beleive that Judas had no choice in his act as God required Judas to do this deed and in fact without Judas we would not be saved. God forgives and we should be carefull how we judge!

[RevelationWriter]

Acts 1:15-26 Peter stood up in the midst of The Disciples
altogether the number of names was abot 120 and Peter said:

"Men and Brethern THIS Scripture (Psalms) had to be fullfilled
which The Holy Spirit Spoke before by the mouth of David concerning Judas.
Who became a guide to those who arrested Jesus;
for Judas WAS numbered with us and obtained A PART in this Ministry.

Now Judas purchased a field with the wages of Iniquity and falling head long,
he burst open in the middle and all his entrails gushed out.
And it became known to all those dwelling in Jerusalem;
so that field is called in their own language, Akel Dama that is Field 0f Blood.

For It Is Written in The Book 0f Psalms:
Let his (Judas) Habitation Be Desolate, And let no one live in it;
And LET ANOTHER TAKE HIS OFFICE'

Therefore of these men who have accompanied us all the time
that The Lord Jesus went in and out among us, one of these must become
a Witness With Us 0f His Resurrection.

And they proposed Two: Joseph and Matthias and they Prayed and said,
You O Lord Who Know the hearts of all, SHOW WHICH ONE OF THESE YOU HAVE CHOSEN
TO TAKE PART IN THIS MINISTRY AND APOSTLESHIP FROM WHICH JUDAS BY TRANSGRESSION
FELL THAT HE MIGHT G TO HIS OWN PLACE.

And they cast their lots and the lot fell on Matthias.
And Matthias Was NUMBERED With The Eleven Apostles."

~ Why is it so hard to believe these Scriptures?

[Eusebius]

Originally Posted by yeshuasavedme

Casting lots was one of God's ordained ways to choose His will in Israel, in the Torah. The Word is clear that the Holy Spirit made the choice by lot, when the Apostles prayed for Him to do so.
Paul cannot be a foundational apostle, as he was not an eyewitness to the life and Gospel of Christ. Only eyewitnesses were chosen to be foundational Apostles, who were there with the LORD, "from the beginning". Paul was not.

Good Post!

[lamakin]

Originally Posted by Notanexpert

14The wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb

Because it states the twelve apostles of the Lamb, the 12th disciple must be Judas as the Lamb indicates those that had been choosen by Jesus. Many beleive that Judas had no choice in his act as God required Judas to do this deed and in fact without Judas we would not be saved. God forgives and we should be carefull how we judge!

The verse doesn't really say taht they were chosen by Jesus, just that they are the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

[Richard1965]

Originally Posted by BudinAk

The Book of Revelation describes a new heaven and a new earth, and a (new) Jerusalem. The wall of the city has 12 foundations, with the names of the 12 Apostles written on them. We pretty much know what the names of eleven of them are, but who's name is written on the 12th? Is it Judas Iscariot????? Or Matthias (who replaced Judas) ?????

(See Rev 12:10-14, and Acts 1:15-26) Wouldn't Matthias be considered the 13th apostle, therefore not one of the original 12? On the other hand, considering what Judas did, how can his name be judged worthy to be written on a foundation stone in heaven???

Your thoughts?


Bud

Let us not forget Paul....He was an Apostle...

[RevelationWriter]

Originally Posted by Richard1965

Let us not forget Paul....He was an Apostle...

- Paul finished his race.

[Richard1965]

Originally Posted by RevelationWriter

- Paul finished his race.

Meaning?....