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God's Holy Spirit IS His consciousness . . . which means His thoughts.
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Originally Posted by Mike555
No He is not. The Holy Spirit is the Third Person of the Trinity. He is distinct from the Father and from the Son. There are three Persons, or centers of consciousness within the Godhead. One God in three Persons.
Personhood is ENTIRELY dependent on consciousness. That is where personhood exists. You are making no sense by ascribing pesonhood without consciousness to defend the confused beliefs about the Trinity based on a lack of knowledge of consciousness as the source of personhood. What you call their shared essence IS consciousness.
Personhood is ENTIRELY dependent on consciousness. That is where personhood exists. You are making no sense by ascribing pesonhood without consciousness to defend the confused beliefs about the Trinity based on a lack of knowledge of consciousness as the source of personhood. What you call their shared essence IS consciousness.
As I have already shown in post #51, the Holy Spirit has the attributes of Personhood. He hears, He speaks, He has initiatve, and He is shown to be distinct from the Father and from Jesus.
I think you really need to go back and study much more thoroughly the idea of the Trinity as compared with the Holy Spirit being the very being of the Father Himself.
Mar 12:32 And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:
Singular. Remember Jesus has GOD indwelling in Him by means of the Father's own Spirit. If you have Christ, you have the Father because the "being" of the Father is in Him. That BEING is the Father's Spirit.
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Originally Posted by Mike555
You don't even believe that Jesus Christ is God. Your opinion about the Holy Spirit therefore has no credibility whatsoever.
You assess credibility based on whether or not someone agrees with YOU? Hardly a credible method, I'm afraid.
As I have already shown in post #51, the Holy Spirit has the attributes of Personhood. He hears, He speaks, He has initiatve, and He is shown to be distinct from the Father and from Jesus.
You are not listening. Personhood cannot exist separate from consciousness, period.
As I have already shown in post #51, the Holy Spirit has the attributes of Personhood. He hears, He speaks, He has initiatve, and He is shown to be distinct from the Father and from Jesus.
Sure the Holy Spirit does. It is the very being of the Father Himself.
Mike, is the Father Spirit? Is the Father Holy? If so, then how is it that you pick and choose that the Holy Spirit can refer to a 3rd person?
You are not listening. Personhood cannot exist separate from consciousness, period.
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Originally Posted by Mike555
It is you who don't listen. The Holy Spirit is the Third Person of the Trinity.
Another rote recitation of dogma without thought or reason.
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Originally Posted by Mike555
As I have already shown in post #51, the Holy Spirit has the attributes of Personhood. He hears, He speaks, He has initiatve, and He is shown to be distinct from the Father and from Jesus.
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Originally Posted by trettep
Sure the Holy Spirit does. It is the very being of the Father Himself.
Mike, is the Father Spirit? Is the Father Holy? If so, then how is it that you pick and choose that the Holy Spirit can refer to a 3rd person?
I fear it is a pointless exercise, trettep. All we will get is rote recitation of dogma . . . nothing more.
He Is The Spirit of Christ The Word of God The Father. He is The Spirit which proceeds forth from The Father "In"~&~"Through" Christ Jesus. He also proceeds forth from Christ The Son{Jesus} just the same. For Christ Is In The Father,and The Father Is In Christ. Because He Who Is The Father,and He Who Is The Son,and He Who Is The Spirit Are All ONE AND THE SAME GOD.
Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.
Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
Joh 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
Joh 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Mat 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he{Jesus} that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
Joh 20:22 And when he{Jesus} had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
The Holy Spirit helps us rejoice in suffering, conquer sin and live a life of love. Every believer has access to God's divine power because the Holy Spirit lives within us.
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