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Old 12-16-2009, 03:03 PM
 
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IT IS SCRIPTURAL

I don't understand the position people take that a person cannot be responsible for receiving Christ? It is clear in scripture that God alone saves, that we are saved by grace, that we can't earn our way into heaven, that we are dead in our sins, that we love Him because He first loved us but the Bible also says that we are responsible for receiving Christ as Savior. If we believe in Jesus Christ we will be saved. It's irrelevant who makes the first move, the question is does the individual do anything after God's saves them like confess, believe, repent, surrender, receive, put your trust in Christ.

(John 3:16)
16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

(Romans 10:9–10)
9 That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.
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Old 12-16-2009, 03:08 PM
 
Location: RV Park
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I believe we can only speak from our perspective, because we just don't know where grace begins in our coming to Him. If He chooses you (sovereignty), then you must come. (John 6:37)
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Old 12-16-2009, 03:21 PM
 
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IT IS SCRIPTURAL

I don't understand the position people take that a person cannot be responsible for receiving Christ? It is clear in scripture that God alone saves, that we are saved by grace, that we can't earn our way into heaven, that we are dead in our sins, that we love Him because He first loved us but the Bible also says that we are responsible for receiving Christ as Savior. If we believe in Jesus Christ we will be saved. It's irrelevant who makes the first move, the question is does the individual do anything after God's saves them like confess, believe, repent, surrender, receive, put your trust in Christ.

(John 3:16)
16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

(Romans 10:9–10)
9 That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.
But does responsibility imply ability? Not really. For instance:

Joh 6:60 many, therefore, of his disciples having heard, said, `This word is hard; who is able to hear it?'
Joh 6:61 And Jesus having known in himself that his disciples are murmuring about this, said to them, `Doth this stumble you?
Joh 6:62 if then ye may behold the Son of Man going up where he was before?
Joh 6:63 the spirit it is that is giving life; the flesh doth not profit anything; the sayings that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life;
Joh 6:64 but there are certain of you who do not believe;' for Jesus had known from the beginning who they are who are not believing, and who is he who will deliver him up,
Joh 6:65 and he said, `Because of this I have said to you--No one is able to come unto me, if it may not have been given him from my Father.'

And yet, all are commanded to repent and believe in the Gospel. However, we are told the flesh profits nothing from this command, and only the Spirit gives life. Here, I see responsibility is given by way of command, but the flesh has actually no ability whatsoever to obey the command, unless first given life from the Spirit.
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Old 12-16-2009, 03:24 PM
 
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But does responsibility imply ability? Not really. For instance:

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Why would that matter? Jesus gave Lazarus life and Lazarus was responsible to get up and go to Him as Jesus asked.
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Old 12-16-2009, 03:28 PM
 
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Why would that matter? Jesus gave Lazarus life and Lazarus was responsible to get up and go to Him as Jesus asked.
Remember we talked about that last week - when Jesus spoke the creative word, Lazarus was helpless to disobey.

Agree?
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Old 12-16-2009, 03:34 PM
 
Location: Prattville, Alabama
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IT IS SCRIPTURAL

I don't understand the position people take that a person cannot be responsible for receiving Christ? It is clear in scripture that God alone saves, that we are saved by grace, that we can't earn our way into heaven, that we are dead in our sins, that we love Him because He first loved us but the Bible also says that we are responsible for receiving Christ as Savior. If we believe in Jesus Christ we will be saved. It's irrelevant who makes the first move, the question is does the individual do anything after God's saves them like confess, believe, repent, surrender, receive, put your trust in Christ.

(John 3:16)
16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

(Romans 10:9–10)
9 That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.
Freewill is a myth of the carnal mind....God is absolutely SOVEREIGN IN ALL THINGS.....including who comes to Him and who doesn't. If He calls....you will come!
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Old 12-16-2009, 03:36 PM
 
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Remember we talked about that last week - when Jesus spoke the creative word, Lazarus was helpless to disobey.

Agree?
God called and Lazarus came. Lazarus had to RESPOND but this in no way diminishes the glory of God.
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Old 12-16-2009, 03:40 PM
 
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God called and Lazarus came. Lazarus had to RESPOND but this in no way diminishes the glory of God.
But it wasn't the dead Lazarus that responded, it was the new alive Lazarus that did so.
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Old 12-16-2009, 03:41 PM
 
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God called and Lazarus came. Lazarus had to RESPOND but this in no way diminishes the glory of God.
And that's what I'm saying - salvation is of the Lord - what part can dead men play in it?
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Old 12-16-2009, 03:41 PM
 
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But it wasn't the dead Lazarus that responded, it was the new alive Lazarus that did so.
There were two Lazarus?
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