Preterists

[Eusebius]

Originally Posted by meerkat2

Just like to say a thanks to the preterists on the board for their patience and diligence - I am now learning heavily towards preterism, I feel that it does bring a consistency to the scriptures.

Sorry to hear about that.

[jeapostle]

Originally Posted by hljc

I do not believe in preterism because the book of Revelations was wrote after a vision Apostle John had in 96 A.D.while he was on the isle of Patmos, were was banished there during the reign of Roman Emperor Domitian for his stand to the word of God , that is 26 years after the fall of Jerusalem. Where preterism idealist believe the second coming of Jesus was at 70 A.D.

Funny, I dont see John's date for writing the book in Revelation. If the book is written after 70 A.D., Why is the temple being measured in Revelation 11, if it had already been destroyed?

[katjonjj]

Originally Posted by hljc

I do not believe in preterism because the book of Revelations was wrote after a vision Apostle John had in 96 A.D.while he was on the isle of Patmos, were was banished there during the reign of Roman Emperor Domitian for his stand to the word of God , that is 26 years after the fall of Jerusalem. Where preterism idealist believe the second coming of Jesus was at 70 A.D.

If this is the same John as the disciple John he would be around 90 years old when he wrote this... if in fact it has such a late date... That makes no sense! to me anyway.

From scripture we know that John was imprisoned at patmos, was being persecuted because of his faith.. and yet you say a 90 year old man was still living (even now with medical technology 90 is no spring chicken) and was being imprisoned during persecution?

I think that is stretching the limits of reality.

Now if the book of Revelation were written in 68 (as some claim) then John would have been in his 60's which is still older than the life expectancy of the first century.

I think just with the clues given in the book itself we can conclude that it was written before the fall of Jerusalem.

[meerkat2]

Originally Posted by hljc

People should us e-mail for personal messeges and not fill this forum with private comments filling up web space on city-data com. Rejecting comments.

If you really want to comment /debate ...... fine .... go right ahead.

I am sure others will be happy to oblige you.

Oh and thanks for bumping

This was not a personal message to a couple of people - it is a message to all preterists (some whom I can not remember their signons as they have not been posting lately) I was basically saying I did not want to debate preterism with anyone on this thread but if any want to take this specific thread as opposed to all of the other threads on the subject to debate the subject ---- thats ok -- go right ahead.

[Eusebius]

Originally Posted by jeapostle

Funny, I dont see John's date for writing the book in Revelation. If the book is written after 70 A.D., Why is the temple being measured in Revelation 11, if it had already been destroyed?

The temple was being measured IN THE DAY OF THE LORD which is yet future.

If you are going to use that rational then you must also say the new earth came in 70 A.D. too or before because John saw the angel measure the holy city on the new earth.

[Eusebius]

Originally Posted by katjonjj

If this is the same John as the disciple John he would be around 90 years old when he wrote this... if in fact it has such a late date... That makes no sense! to me anyway.

From scripture we know that John was imprisoned at patmos, was being persecuted because of his faith.. and yet you say a 90 year old man was still living (even now with medical technology 90 is no spring chicken) and was being imprisoned during persecution?

I think that is stretching the limits of reality.

Now if the book of Revelation were written in 68 (as some claim) then John would have been in his 60's which is still older than the life expectancy of the first century.

I think just with the clues given in the book itself we can conclude that it was written before the fall of Jerusalem.

Wasn't Moses about a 100 years old when he wrote the law?

[katjonjj]

Originally Posted by Eusebius

Wasn't Moses about a 100 years old when he wrote the law?

1500 years before Christ? LOL

Psalm 90:10 The length of our days is seventy years--or eighty, if we have the strength; yet their span is but trouble and sorrow, for they quickly pass, and we fly away.

Life span in David's time was seventy to eighty... see how ridiculous it might be to say that John was being imprisoned and persecuted at 90...

[Eusebius]

Moses died at 120 years of age. (Deuteronomy 34:7)

No, it is not rediculous at all to think John was imprisoned and persecuted at 90 especially when he was one of the leaders of the Circumcision church.

Not to mention John was filled with holy spirit and had performed many miracles.

The Bible also says that the length of our days are ______ years but by discipline can be increased.
I don't have my bible with me so don't know exactly the years or where it is found.

John did not live much longer after being released from Patmos at the age of 90, maybe 10 years having died around 100 A.D.

[sciotamicks]

Originally Posted by eusebius

moses died at 120 years of age. (deuteronomy 34:7)

no, it is not rediculous at all to think john was imprisoned and persecuted at 90 especially when he was one of the leaders of the circumcision church.

Not to mention john was filled with holy spirit and had performed many miracles.

The bible also says that the length of our days are ______ years but by discipline can be increased.
I don't have my bible with me so don't know exactly the years or where it is found.

John did not live much longer after being released from patmos at the age of 90, maybe 10 years having died around 100 a.d.

lol