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The abortion cemetary parade makes its rounds here in TN on the Baptist church lawns. You know, they stick a bunch of crosses in the ground to represent dead babies and have a big sign that says ABORTION MURDERS CHILDREN.
If only some concern Germans went around putting crosses in church lawns to represent dead Jews with a big sign that says CO-ED SHOWERS MURDERS THE JEWS.
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Conservatives, could you stick to the facts - just once? please? The fact is, abortion kills fetuses. To say that it murders children assumes a lot of things. (Do I need to explain further or can you figure it out?) Why don't you try to convert people to your way of thinking with the TRUTH for once (i.e. FACTS), not SCARE TACTICS and DRAMA.
If abortion didn't exist, we'd have thousands more children in orphanages, without family love and structure, leading to overpopulation and more crime. Why don't you dwell on that. Better yet, instead of spending your time attacking liberals and pro-choice supporters, try preaching with your ACTIONS instead of your words. Be a foster parent, or go help a homeless person.
So... you do know that if the so called fetuses were left alone, they are children to be born.
Can anyone that believes in abortion and believes in life after death can answer the question as to when a child gets his or her soul?
No. They cannot.
Do abortion advocates inform the public of all the ills that has happen to some of the women for having an abortion, and one of them is never being able to have children ever again?
No. They have not.
Can Planned Parenthood deny making a profit off of an abortion?
No. They cannot.
For all the propagandish hype for the cause of abortion as if speaking for the rights of the women, it should be obvious that the love of money is the root of all evil.
But, it is not.
Ignorance is not always bliss.
Women with unwanted pregnancy should look to Jesus Christ: God the Saviour: for help as He is entrusted to be Our Good Shepherd as well.
Women with unwanted pregnancy should look to Jesus Christ: God the Saviour: for help as He is entrusted to be Our Good Shepherd as well.
But does the command to go forth and multiply imply that overpopulation can only be a myth?
Do Christians truly believe that God will provide, or do you acknowledge that there are limits?
And how about babies from mothers who are addicted to crack (or other hard drugs) who already have a history that proves they ain't fit for motherhood?
In the Netherlands we had a debate about temporarily chemically neutering them, since their babies were always born in the worst of circumstances (severely disabled, addicted to whatever drug the mother was addicted to, not growing up in a loving family, mother proven unfit to raise children, etc).
These children generally live a short life filled with only agony. Even the foster mothers who raise these children (and love them very much) supported the supposition to make it impossible for women who are heavily addicted to have children.
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If only some concern Germans went around putting crosses in church lawns to represent dead Jews with a big sign that says CO-ED SHOWERS MURDERS THE JEWS.
So... you do know that if the so called fetuses were left alone, they are children to be born.
Can anyone that believes in abortion and believes in life after death can answer the question as to when a child gets his or her soul?
No. They cannot.
Do abortion advocates inform the public of all the ills that has happen to some of the women for having an abortion, and one of them is never being able to have children ever again?
No. They have not.
Can Planned Parenthood deny making a profit off of an abortion?
No. They cannot.
For all the propagandish hype for the cause of abortion as if speaking for the rights of the women, it should be obvious that the love of money is the root of all evil.
But, it is not.
Ignorance is not always bliss.
So true, Enow.
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Women with unwanted pregnancy should look to Jesus Christ: God the Saviour: for help as He is entrusted to be Our Good Shepherd as well.
"Unwanted pregnancy" is a liberal term used to attempt to set the promiscuous women free from any so-called guilt. If more women would keep their legs closed and wait until marriage practicing abstinence, valuing life more, and having a fear of God things might be different. But here again is the sad break down of moral values in America.
But does the command to go forth and multiply imply that overpopulation can only be a myth?
Ever been to North Dakota?....
not many people....not many people.
The problem with people is that we tend to believe there are just too many of us only because we like to be part of a mob.
We all want to live right next to each other.
We all want to get on the same street.
We all want to go to the same place to eat
We all want to go see the same movie at the same time.
But the truth is, that every day there is a restaurant that goes bloke because no one went to it...
Every day there is a city that has to shut down becaue no one is left in town.
Every day another street falls into disrepair because there is no longer enough people in the town to support the tax base needed for repairs.
But from inside the mob that fact is hard to see
Do Christians truly believe that God will provide, or do you acknowledge that there are limits?
Do you have faith or not?
And how about babies from mothers who are addicted to crack (or other hard drugs) who already have a history that proves they ain't fit for motherhood?
Is that the fault of the baby?
Do we put people to death because they might have a bad mommy?
Do we tell people they must die because they could get sick from what their mom did before they were born?
Do we hold anyone guilty of things others did before they were born?
(severely disabled, addicted to whatever drug the mother was addicted to, not growing up in a loving family, mother proven unfit to raise children, etc).
These children generally live a short life filled with only agony.
It is not against the law to be born.
and...
It is not against the law to be sick...
So why make it a crime to be born sick?
Even the foster mothers who raise these children (and love them very much) supported the supposition to make it impossible for women who are heavily addicted to have children.
The right to life is from God...
The child has the same right to life as an adult...perhaps even more so because the child represents the future...
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Originally Posted by Enow But does the command to go forth and multiply imply that overpopulation can only be a myth?
Yes. Keep in mind that God meant for that multiplying to be done within the confines of marriage though.
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Do Christians truly believe that God will provide, or do you acknowledge that there are limits?
At one time, a survey was done comparing the statistics of abortion to couples that wanted to have children, but could not. It came pretty close. I would have to say that God's grace is being shown here as He makes the sun shine on the evil and on the good.
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And how about babies from mothers who are addicted to crack (or other hard drugs) who already have a history that proves they ain't fit for motherhood?
Or any other healthy mother that is not able to take care of the child?
Why is it that orphanages has to be a thing of the past?
Is it really that improbable that unwanted pregnancy has occurred in the past before abortion as it fell to the family to help raise the child? Have not parents or even grandparents share tales of taking care of a child not directly their own?
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In the Netherlands we had a debate about temporarily chemically neutering them, since their babies were always born in the worst of circumstances (severely disabled, addicted to whatever drug the mother was addicted to, not growing up in a loving family, mother proven unfit to raise children, etc).
Covering up the result of a drug living lifetsyle solves nothing. It should prompt society to be aware of the evils of drugs and move to get rid of the drug pushers. How many babies has to be born in this way before society says... "enough" with that kind of "partying".
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These children generally live a short life filled with only agony. Even the foster mothers who raise these children (and love them very much) supported the supposition to make it impossible for women who are heavily addicted to have children.
Again... covering up the drug problem in society doesn't stop more women from becoming a number of those kind of statistics.... nor the unwanted children that are result of having a lack of self control.
People want to abort unwanted children, but do not care to implement the death penalty to drug pushers as a major deterrant to try to avert more of the same results coming their way.
Illegal drugs are like a disease in society. One can ignore it as long as one can before it becomes a do or die scenario. All rationalization needs to be put away and exposed the ramifications for not placing the death penalty for drug pushers in society. Here, a drug pusher has a choice for life by repenting of that lifestyle: an unwanted child doesn't have that choice when it comes to the issue of legalized abortion.
Where is this a crime? Who is making it a crime?
The poster was discussing temporarily neutering drug addicts. This falls under birth control. Do you consider that a cime as well?
Where is this a crime? Who is making it a crime?
The poster was discussing temporarily neutering drug addicts. This falls under birth control. Do you consider that a cime as well?
The topic here is all about "Abortion"
The post I was dealing with came at the issue from the stand point that might be seen as saying that some kids were better off dead than born.
There is also the wider context with that same line of thinking that for some reason, it's better not to be born, rather than to be born sick, or unloved, or poor, or into a single-parent family
That position I disagree with because it is the half-way house to getting an abortion for any invented reason .
at that point, we become just like China that supports the killing of a child just because it was born 2nd and not 1st.
In other words: killing a child for no fault of the child but only because it has violated a standard some guy pulled out of the blue.
Yes. Keep in mind that God meant for that multiplying to be done within the confines of marriage though.
Even then if Christian families had 10 or more children per family (like it generally was the case in the Middle Ages) we would have the population problem much sooner than is the case now.
Luckily because of the sexual revolution (and the invention of the birth control pill) this did not happen.
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Why is it that orphanages has to be a thing of the past?
Simply because it is better for children to grow up in a (foster) family than an orphanage.
And for the same reason why it is better to teach children in small classes then it is in large classes.
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Covering up the result of a drug living lifetsyle solves nothing.
I'm not covering up anything; it is a simple fact that addicted mothers give their addiction a much higher priority than their children.
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Again... covering up the drug problem in society doesn't stop more women from becoming a number of those kind of statistics.... nor the unwanted children that are result of having a lack of self control.
The thing is that the addicted women wanted to be able to have children even when their history has already proven that they're unfit mothers. Often these mothers already had several other children taken away by social services because they were a treat to their own child.
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Illegal drugs are like a disease in society.
Unfortunately a large % of the addicted women were 'simply' alcoholics.
I personally consider alcohol a hard drug when it comes to the addiction factor, but because it is legal here it is only considered a soft drug.
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Ever been to North Dakota?....:
Yes well the problem we have with our population is a global problem, and correct me if I'm wrong, but North Dakota does not represent the world.
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Do you have faith or not?
I have faith, it just isn't blind.
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Is that the fault of the baby?
Do we put people to death because they might have a bad mommy?
Do we tell people they must die because they could get sick from what their mom did before they were born?
Do we hold anyone guilty of things others did before they were born?
The reason why the foster mothers support it is because they know how hard and difficult it is to raise these children.
And they also see the struggle these children (and their birth mothers) go through.
It is easy to say that God provides, but the cold hard reality is that this often is not the case. These babies often die early after a long hard struggle with the odds stacked heavily against them.
These babies have only known suffering in their (short) lives.
The survivors often also have to deal with mental problems caused by the traumatic knowledge that their mother was unable to raise them and / or are caused by the addiction they were born with.
These babies often die early after a long hard struggle with the odds stacked heavily against them.
These babies have only known suffering in their (short) lives.
The survivors often also have to deal with mental problems caused by the traumatic knowledge that their mother was unable to raise them and / or are caused by the addiction they were born with.
all a moot point.
a child is not asking for an easy life..
Nor to have two parents that are rich.
all the child is asking from is is all we can actually give that child...
"The Chance"
We should enforce by LAW the "chance" to have life of each unborn child.
Yes, some will be born sick
yes some will be born poor
yes some will be born to a mom who needs help herself.
But we as a country should ALWAYS come down on the issus of Abortion on the side of the unborn child....
Always...
The born have their voice to be heard
The lawyers can argue their case in courts
The protesters can shout their insults across the street.
Only in all this din, is the voice of the child unheard.
and it is this unheard voice that God alone listens to....
I'm simply asking you if mothers should have the right to have children if they can't provide for them.
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The parents of Jesus did not have any place to even stay the night he was born...they ended up in a barn.
There were animals . ..there was the smell of urine..there was the bed of animal feed.
this Christmas story should "once for all" should cure us of the idea that some children should be thought of by us as unwanted and banned from being born just because of the situation of the parents.
Im sure the Billionaire looks at the children of the millionaire and thinks, "Those poor children"
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But does the command to go forth and multiply imply that overpopulation can only be a myth?
And how about babies from mothers who are addicted to crack (or other hard drugs) who already have a history that proves they ain't fit for motherhood?
Even the foster mothers who raise these children (and love them very much) supported the supposition to make it impossible for women who are heavily addicted to have children.
Yes well the problem we have with our population is a global problem, and correct me if I'm wrong, but North Dakota does not represent the world.
I have faith, it just isn't blind.