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Old 12-24-2009, 08:14 AM
 
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Who is a God like unto Thee, that pardoneth iniquity, and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage? He retaineth not his anger for ever, because He delighteth in mercy.
He will turn again, He will have compassion upon us; He will subdue our iniquities; and thou wilt cast all their sins into the depths of the sea. (Mic 7:18-19)

There's your lake of fire.
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Old 12-24-2009, 08:30 AM
 
Location: Prattville, Alabama
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Who is a God like unto Thee, that pardoneth iniquity, and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage? He retaineth not his anger for ever, because He delighteth in mercy.
He will turn again, He will have compassion upon us; He will subdue our iniquities; and thou wilt cast all their sins into the depths of the sea. (Mic 7:18-19)

There's your lake of fire.
AMEN my brother!!! Have a Very Blessed and Merry Christmas!!
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Old 12-24-2009, 08:37 AM
 
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Mike, don't you wonder why, if eternal torment were true, why God never broached the subject to the first couple in the garden? And why did God never broach the subject to the first murderer? Cain? And why did God never broach the subject to all the billions of people before the flood? And why, after the flood God never broached the subject?

If it is really true, why, in the whole Old Testament, did not never once broach the subject to any of humanity? Why the big secret?

Mike, the lake of fire is never said to be eternal. You know what God says in the prophecy? If anyone adds to or takes away from the words of this prophecy . . . they get the curses (but again, no mention of eternal torment) lucky for you for adding to the words of the prophecy.
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Total nonsense.
No, Total sense.
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Old 12-24-2009, 01:33 PM
 
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Mike, don't you wonder why, if eternal torment were true, why God never broached the subject to the first couple in the garden? And why did God never broach the subject to the first murderer? Cain? And why did God never broach the subject to all the billions of people before the flood? And why, after the flood God never broached the subject?

If it is really true, why, in the whole Old Testament, did not never once broach the subject to any of humanity? Why the big secret?

Mike, the lake of fire is never said to be eternal. You know what God says in the prophecy? If anyone adds to or takes away from the words of this prophecy . . . they get the curses (but again, no mention of eternal torment) lucky for you for adding to the words of the prophecy.
Matthew 25:41 Then He will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels; 46) And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.

You universalists keep making your same tired old denials of what the word of God plainly says. You distort, you redefine, you ignore, and you continually spout your same heretical arguments.

Those who deny the reality of the eternal lake of fire know nothing about the Holiness of God and the requirements of a Just and Righteous God of His creatures. God cannot have a relationship with those who reject His offer of salvation through Christ. To reject that offer of salvation requires then that those who reject salvation must be eternally separated from God. And that place of separation and torment is the lake of fire.
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Old 12-24-2009, 07:52 PM
 
Location: Flower Mound, Texas
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Amen....


Psalm 111:10
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom; a good understanding have all those who do His commandments. His praise endures forever.

This "fear of the Lord" is used in the OT to designate true religion, that is, a life which expresses its accountability to God. The awareness of accountability to God is seen as the foundation of wisdom.
In the OT it has no word for religion. This probably so because for the OT people all of life was religion. But the phrases "the fear of the Lord" come close to expressing what we mean by the term religion. It reflects a life-style which always takes into account that there is a all-wise, all-powerful, all-righteous God who holds people accountable for their behavior. To act sinfully is to act as though God is either too weak, to ignorant, or too inconsistent to enforce His will. To live in loving fellowship with God is possible only for those who "fear" Him.

Psalm 19:7-11
The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul; the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple;
The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart; the commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening;
The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring forever; the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.
More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold; sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.
Moreover by them Your servant is warned, and in keeping them there is great reward.

In vv. 7-9, "The law of the Lord," the psalmist moves from general revelation in nature to special revelation in the Bible which goes beyond general revelation to demonstrate the moral nature of God's holiness.
The English word law translates Hebrew Torah, "guidance, teaching, instruction."
In the following verses several synonyms occur, stating characteristics of the law. These indicate the godliness which is intended to result from God's revelation. His work is converting; it changes and saves. His revelation is clean, cleansing the human spirit from sin.

In vv.10-11, God's truth is to be desired because by it His servant is warned against sin, and in keeping it finds the reward of a fulfilled life.

David in vv.12-13, saw that God's revelation is to pray for His help with errors, faults, and sins. God must dwell not only in nature and the Word, but in the human heart.
David in these verses indicates an understanding of inward sin. He recognizes that through God's enabling a person may live a blameless life before God. The presumptuous sins are sins against conscience and knowledge....

Let us have a heart like David and our prayer be, "Who can understand his errors? Cleanse me from secret faults. Keep Your servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me. Then I shall be blameless, and I shall be innocent of great transgression." (Psalm 19:12-13)

Ah Lord, "Let the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable in Your sight, O Lord, my strength and my Redeemer." (Psalm 19:14)

Blessings....
I love this...Thankyou...another great Bible study... Have a VERY Happy Holiday..Blessings to you as well.
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Old 12-24-2009, 07:54 PM
 
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Total nonsense.
What do you believe in Marks? Do you believe that EVERYONE spends eternity together, even those who haven't asked forgiveness of sins? Just curious and please answer my question...

Thanks.
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Old 12-24-2009, 07:57 PM
 
Location: Flower Mound, Texas
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Originally Posted by Eusebius
Mike, don't you wonder why, if eternal torment were true, why God never broached the subject to the first couple in the garden? And why did God never broach the subject to the first murderer? Cain? And why did God never broach the subject to all the billions of people before the flood? And why, after the flood God never broached the subject?

If it is really true, why, in the whole Old Testament, did not never once broach the subject to any of humanity? Why the big secret?

Mike, the lake of fire is never said to be eternal. You know what God says in the prophecy? If anyone adds to or takes away from the words of this prophecy . . . they get the curses (but again, no mention of eternal torment) lucky for you for adding to the words of the prophecy.
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No, Total sense.
The Lake of Fire is for the devil and his worshippers.
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Old 12-24-2009, 08:53 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Eusebius
Mike, don't you wonder why, if eternal torment were true, why God never broached the subject to the first couple in the garden? And why did God never broach the subject to the first murderer? Cain? And why did God never broach the subject to all the billions of people before the flood? And why, after the flood God never broached the subject?

If it is really true, why, in the whole Old Testament, did not never once broach the subject to any of humanity? Why the big secret?

Mike, the lake of fire is never said to be eternal. You know what God says in the prophecy? If anyone adds to or takes away from the words of this prophecy . . . they get the curses (but again, no mention of eternal torment) lucky for you for adding to the words of the prophecy.
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Matthew 25:41 Then He will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels; 46) And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.

You universalists keep making your same tired old denials of what the word of God plainly says. You distort, you redefine, you ignore, and you continually spout your same heretical arguments.
Mike, you never answered my question. Why do you think God never told Adam and Eve anything about eternal torment if it really existed? Don't you think that would have been the perfect time to tell them before they sinned?

And why didn't God tell Cain about eternal torment if it really existed?

And why didn't God tell the billions of antedeluvians about eternal torment if it existed?

And why didn't God make eternal torment the end result of breaking His law? Why did God just never ever tell the Jews they'd go to hell for ever if they broke His laws?

Why all the secrecy?

If eternal torment is true then God is wholly at fault for not telling anyone through the whole old testament.

And also, you need to get a better translation for Matthew 25:41,46. The Greek never used "eternal" in those passages but "age-during" or "eonian."

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Those who deny the reality of the eternal lake of fire know nothing about the Holiness of God and the requirements of a Just and Righteous God of His creatures. God cannot have a relationship with those who reject His offer of salvation through Christ. To reject that offer of salvation requires then that those who reject salvation must be eternally separated from God. And that place of separation and torment is the lake of fire.
"Eternal lake of fire"? Revelation never uses such a phrase. Yet you've said it so many times you are just like the Jehova's Witnesses who say over and over and over "the lake of fire from which there is no escape." But Revelation never says that.

"Woe to those who add to or take away from the words of this prophecy."

Woe to you!
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Old 12-25-2009, 02:51 AM
 
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Woe to you Eusebius, you preach a false gospel God will destroy the wicked:

And the destruction of the transgressors and of the sinners [shall be] together, and they that forsake the LORD shall be consumed. For they shall be ashamed of the oaks which ye have desired, and ye shall be confounded for the gardens that ye have chosen. For ye shall be as an oak whose leaf fadeth, and as a garden that hath no water. And the strong shall be as tow, and the maker of it as a spark, and they shall both burn together, and none shall quench [them].

When the sinner has made himself as tow and stubble, and God makes himself to him as a consuming fore. By cutting off those that hate to be reformed, that they may not remain either as snares or as scandals to the faithful city.

But the righteous:

Zion shall be redeemed with judgment, and her converts with righteousness.
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Old 12-25-2009, 07:02 AM
 
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Woe to you Eusebius, you preach a false gospel God will destroy the wicked:

And the destruction of the transgressors and of the sinners [shall be] together, and they that forsake the LORD shall be consumed. For they shall be ashamed of the oaks which ye have desired, and ye shall be confounded for the gardens that ye have chosen. For ye shall be as an oak whose leaf fadeth, and as a garden that hath no water. And the strong shall be as tow, and the maker of it as a spark, and they shall both burn together, and none shall quench [them].

When the sinner has made himself as tow and stubble, and God makes himself to him as a consuming fore. By cutting off those that hate to be reformed, that they may not remain either as snares or as scandals to the faithful city.

But the righteous:

Zion shall be redeemed with judgment, and her converts with righteousness.
sciotamicks,
It was a series of questions, not a false gospel.

I agree with you however when you wrote above:
"a false gospel God will destroy the wicked"
Indeed, it is a false gospel that "God will destroy the wicked" in such a state never to be saved again.

Why can't you and Mike just answer the questions?

Also, what you just wrote and what I am replying to has nothing to do with "Hell."

Look in Deuteronomy I think chapter 28 or thereabouts (I don't have my bible with me at the moment) and note all the curses if they don't do the law. Nothing said at all about eternal torment or hell. Nothing. Nada. Zip. Zero.

All the curses have to do with receiving a recompense ONLY IN THIS LIFE for failing to keep the law and blessings ONLY IN THIS LIFE if they keep the law. There was never any idea in the Old Testament that anyone would go to a hell or a heaven for keeping the law or not keeping it.

NOW YOU AND MIKE . . . JUST ANSWER THE QUESTIONS DIRECTLY!
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