The Really Bad Thing about Preterism (Gospels, doctrine, church, zealous) - - City-Data Forum

Eusebius · 12-25-2009, 07:05 AM

A Refutation of Preterism
A REFUTATION OF PRETERISM

Marks · 12-25-2009, 09:16 AM

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A Refutation of Preterism
A REFUTATION OF PRETERISM

Excellent! As is the whole site. Thanks for passing this web site along

jsherman9901 · 12-25-2009, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Eusebius

A Refutation of Preterism
A REFUTATION OF PRETERISM

Just another article by another person explaining why their interpretation of the Bible is the correct one, and everyone else is wrong.

If you sit down and meditate deeply on these things, you will discover that none of it really matters. What is going to happen will happen. I am convinced that when the time comes that we are in the presence of God, we will realize how silly and foolish it was to spend so much time and angst on things we cannot control.

psychohmike · 12-25-2009, 10:33 AM

This guy doesn't refute preterism. And the worst part is...he supports his claim by using a subjective vision that no one can verify.

He harps on the term literal...Yet he spiritualizes the time statements.

And another thing. He hasn't even done his homework. The notion that any of the canon of scripture having been written after the fall of Jerusalem has been refuted a long time ago. Nonetheless the uneducated will continue to claim otherwise.

Mike

Ironmaw1776 · 12-25-2009, 10:51 AM

Bethel ministries seems a little extreme to me. I agree with many things in that article, and i have browsed through the site and i agree with much of what i read therein. Nevertheless they seem to be a little to zealous in their system of beliefs. They are practically puritan ...

I have made allot of mistakes in my life and most likely will continue to do so. I believe that i eventually learn from them after all. However, living a life of complete repression of all things carnal I believe to be unhealthy psychologically and eventually leads to perversions. We should certainly resist the devil, and we should not seek opportunities to make occasions for the flesh ... Yet i believe this has more to do with understanding what is edifying as opposed to what is not, and through the use of discernment living moderately by reigning in the carnal appetites and not allowing them to rule in your life, by the way they might influence how your treat others, etc. ...

Also, on the site i found an article called "unlimited atonement", wherein he argues the same irrational and self contradicting beliefs that many here on C-D have argued. This shows blind acceptance of Church doctrine without what I believe to be a real understanding of the word of reconciliation.

Also, i could only imagine what they say or would say about those Christians who teach that Jesus is not God, so using what they say about anything might backfire where some of your other beliefs come to play Eusebius ...

Anyway, and interesting article which makes points i have made here on C-D many times but have been shot down on as many occasions for having done so. I don't think it will change anyones minds one way or the other, but i will enjoy perusing the site and learning what i can none the less ...

Thanks for the Link Eusebius ...

hljc · 12-25-2009, 11:07 AM

I do not believe in Preterism, it takes hope and faith in Jesus second coming away from people. We are called to have faith in all things of Christ or it is sin to us. Another thing is that almost the entire Gospels and Letters of the Apostles. and the book of revelation were written after 70 A.D. when preterism says Jesus came back. Pray `` Father i command that you give these people who believe in these ideas called preterism are given your spirit, quicken then with your revelation onto your plans in Jesus name.

Ironmaw1776 · 12-25-2009, 11:15 AM

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I do not believe in Preterism, it takes hope and faith in Jesus second coming away from people. We are called to have faith in all things of Christ or it is sin to us. Another thing is that almost the entire Gospels and Letters of the Apostles. and the book of revelation were written after 70 A.D. when preterism says Jesus came back. Pray `` Father i command that you give these people who believe in these ideas called preterism are given your spirit, quicken then with your revelation onto your plans in Jesus name.

Christ said we should occupy TILL he comes ...

Luke 19:13
"And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come."

We are here as the vicar of Christ, his body of representatives to a reprobate world. We are ambassadors of the kingdom and not yet kings reigning with Christ. We are an occupying spiritual army in the homelands of the spiritual enemy, who is the prince of the powers of the air and the God of this world and all those powers under his dominion. When Christ returns, we will no longer be occupying this world, but we will be reigning in authority over the nations.

jeapostle · 12-25-2009, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by psychohmike

This guy doesn't refute preterism. And the worst part is...he supports his claim by using a subjective vision that no one can verify.

He harps on the term literal...Yet he spiritualizes the time statements.

And another thing. He hasn't even done his homework. The notion that any of the canon of scripture having been written after the fall of Jerusalem has been refuted a long time ago. Nonetheless the uneducated will continue to claim otherwise.

Mike

So true. Everything is literal, but the time statements, and the fact that the KIngdom does not come with OBSERVATION (Luke 17:21). Keep hoping and waiting for an observable kingdom, IT AINT HAPPENING

Ironmaw1776 · 12-25-2009, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by psychohmike

This guy doesn't refute preterism. And the worst part is...he supports his claim by using a subjective vision that no one can verify.

He harps on the term literal...Yet he spiritualizes the time statements.

And another thing. He hasn't even done his homework. The notion that any of the canon of scripture having been written after the fall of Jerusalem has been refuted a long time ago. Nonetheless the uneducated will continue to claim otherwise.

Mike

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So true. Everything is literal, but the time statements, and the fact that the KIngdom does not come with OBSERVATION (Luke 17:21). Keep hoping and waiting for an observable kingdom, IT AINT HAPPENING

While it can also be said that the full Preterist interpretation of scripture is that the fulfillment of all biblical prophecies that had not yet been fulfilled by the times of the writing of the new testament are spiritualualized(such as the return of Christ, the resurrection of the dead, the destruction of sin and death and all the works of the devil, the New Heavens and earth, among so many other things) and that only the time statements should be understood literally.

jeapostle · 12-25-2009, 11:26 AM

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While it can also be said that the full Preterist interpretation of scripture is that the fulfillment of all biblical prophecies that had not yet been fulfilled by the times of the writing of the new testament are spiritualualized(such as the return of Christ, the resurrection of the dead, the destruction of sin and death and all the works of the devil, the New Heavens and earth, among so many other things) and that only the time statements are understood literally.

The point is that some things are spiritual, and some are literal. You cant make everthing LITERAL!!!