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Old 12-25-2011, 06:58 AM
 
Location: southern california
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pure christianity is not supportive of sexuality in anything except reproduction.
it is an
aesthetics

religion. all sensuality is condemned not just gay. its condemns all hedonism. in its original state christianity was basically monks with a vow of poverty and chastity. but modern christianity bears zero resemblance to that practiced by jesus and his followers.
christianity is a jewish sect and a mideastern religion. bears little resemblance to what occurs in the mega churches in america.
christianity in its original state bore far more resemblance to buddism than southern baptist.
with the exception of some true artists warriors and athletes i have known, gays are for the most part hedonist americans.

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Old 12-25-2011, 08:13 AM
 
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No He won't...Lev. 18:22...
Doesn't refer to gay people, and doesn't apply to Christians. If we're going to follow the Torah, then you should be executed for breaking the Sabbath, and your clothing is an abomination unto God.

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Old 12-25-2011, 08:14 AM
 
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When he says that to me, it won't be because of what scripture says about homo-sex.

I have done much worse than any sexual deviance.

Here is a hint for you.... Their not my rules, or my judgments. The O.P. asked, and i said what i believe the bible teaches.

Merry Christ-Mass to you!
Chanukah Sameach!
 
Old 12-25-2011, 08:24 AM
 
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pure christianity is not supportive of sexuality in anything except reproduction.
it is an
aesthetics

religion. all sensuality is condemned not just gay. its condemns all hedonism. in its original state christianity was basically monks with a vow of poverty and chastity. but modern christianity bears zero resemblance to that practiced by jesus and his followers.
christianity is a jewish sect and a mideastern religion. bears little resemblance to what occurs in the mega churches in america.
christianity in its original state bore far more resemblance to buddism than southern baptist.
with the exception of some true artists warriors and athletes i have known, gays are for the most part hedonist americans.
Gays are hedonists, but statistically have less partners than straights and are more likely to be celibate?

And FYI, for someone claiming Christianity is more like Buddhism or Judaism, Buddhism does not condemn gays, and the overwhelming majority of Jews do not either (with the exception of Haredi Jews, but even they support gays more than your typical Christian).

Anti-gay sentiment is overwhelmingly a Christian and Islamic extremist viewpoint.
 
Old 12-25-2011, 08:48 AM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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Its not just a sin, it is an abomination to everything that is Holy.

You should care more about eternal circumstances. Or not.

I'm neither conservative, fundamentalist, or evangelical... if opposing gay sex is extreme, i am that.

Gays are a disgrace to everything righteous. Especially those that say bad is good, and good is bad. Blasphemous vomit.

There are many who will go to no end to justify all kinds of sin, but even that in itself is sinful: Romans 1 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them
 
Old 12-25-2011, 08:52 AM
 
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Yes, they are an easy target. Do the churches ever condemn greed, lust, gossip, etc...??? Or do they only fixate on gays and a woman's right to choose whether or not to be pregnant. And has anyone ever heard a sermon preaching on the evil of child pornography? Why isn't fighting child porn an important political issue? It should be. I believe our government could shut down a lot of on-line pornography if they wanted to. I'm veering off topic, so I'll let it rest.
Of course they talk about all sin, including greed, lust, gossip etc. In Romans 1, Paul condemns homosexuality practised by both male and female couples, but he goes on to list many other sins. No one sin is singled out:

- evil
- greed
- depravity
- envy
- murder
- strife
- deceit
- malice
- gossip
- slander
- God hating
- arrogance
- boastfulness
- creating new ways of doing evil
- disobeying parents
- infidelity
- unlovingness
- unmercifulness
- approving sin of others
- gay sex
 
Old 12-25-2011, 08:57 AM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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Confirmation: You are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT!!!

32Though they know God’s decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.

Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Yes, indeed.

Let's not forget how God punished Eli, when Eli condoned the sins of his sons.
 
Old 12-25-2011, 09:09 AM
 
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Unfortunately Jaymax, these people who pretend like they are the most blessed by God, and can do no wrong will NEVER open their mind and stop their hatred and discrimination. Hopefully the lurkers are more open minded, but I don't know about you, I get so exhausted trying to explain these things and stop the gay hatred, it just seems so pointless. It would be like trying to make a Nazi support Jews, or the KKK stand up for black rights.
Hey, I went from prudishly and archaically thinking they were all hedonistic damned people doing gross things to realizing they are just sexual humans like the rest of us who were likely born that way in most cases. I mean I didn't even know a hermaphrodite existed 10 years ago and I've heard conservatives Christians say that have a "choice" of one or the other because they have both equipment, but that just sounds overly concerned with physicality as opposed to mentality to me.... If they are "born with it" (even if theirs is more genetic than developmental) it should be commonsense that its possible for a gay person to be born with their mentality.

My conservative side still haunts my thinking in some ways making me still question how biblical it is, but I do think your arguments are too significant and troubling to be ignored. People like you are indeed making a difference and I hope you continue to post your side.
 
Old 12-25-2011, 09:15 AM
 
Location: southern california
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Gays are hedonists, but statistically have less partners than straights and are more likely to be celibate?

And FYI, for someone claiming Christianity is more like Buddhism or Judaism, Buddhism does not condemn gays, and the overwhelming majority of Jews do not either (with the exception of Haredi Jews, but even they support gays more than your typical Christian).

Anti-gay sentiment is overwhelmingly a Christian and Islamic extremist viewpoint.
gays are hedonists mostly yes but not all. yes, we agree on that somewhat.
islam however is not overwhelmingly pro gay with a few dissenting extremists. sorry. in your dreams.
i am no stranger to mideast .
as to buddism something i know a bit about again-- the point u did not seem to catch, aesthetics aka monks are not into sex. a gay that occasionally drops into a buddist meditation session, comes late, leaves early, and then goes back to the bar and tells everybody he is a buddist and they love gays, oh yes, he says that buddism is pro gay. not so. again we hear and see what we want to.
the modern christians and the gays are both for the most part hedonists but the gays deny their christian roots whereas the modern christians just grossly fail to live up to them.

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Old 12-25-2011, 09:18 AM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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Moderator cut: orphaned post Romans 1 Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

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