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Old 11-11-2013, 04:31 PM
 
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Homosexuality is considered Sexual Immorality as it is sex outside of marriage and since God doesn't recognize same sex marriages in his word and never will, Homosexual sex will always be sexual immorality and no sexually immoral person will enter the kingdom of heaven.

There is no loophole in this command from God not to practice that kind of lifestyle. Sexual Immorality applies to Gay and Straight people!!!

 
Old 11-11-2013, 04:35 PM
 
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What if people are truly born "gay"?

How do they satisfy the urge? Do they remain virgins for the rest of their life? They can't masturbate to those fantasies?

Would such a person have to remain single and a virgin,esp if they have no attraction whatsover to the opposite sex?
 
Old 11-11-2013, 05:03 PM
 
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What if people are truly born "gay"?
How do they satisfy the urge? Do they remain virgins for the rest of their life? They can't masturbate to those fantasies?
Would such a person have to remain single and a virgin,esp if they have no attraction whatsover to the opposite sex?
If a person wants to become a citizen of another country, he must agree to abide by the law of the land.
If a person wants to become a citizen of God's spiritual nation - 1st Peter 2 vs 9,5 - he would have to agree to abide by the spiritual laws as set forth in Scripture.
The choice would be to put divine rulership ahead of one's own desires.- Matthew 10 vs 38,39

It has nothing to do with attraction but with self control.
Fornication [ porneia' ] is the sin. The English word fornication comes from the Greek word 'Porneia' . Porneia covers all forms of un-scriptural sex including having sex with an animal.

According to Scripture everything in this imperfect system is temporary.
What Christians look forward to is a perfect system which is the coming 1000-year reign of Christ over earth.
During that time Jesus will undo all the damage that Satan and father Adam brought upon us.
The miracles Jesus performed while on earth was a small-scale sample of the healing and curing Jesus will do on a LARGE or GRAND scale during his messianic reign over earth.- please see: Revelation 22 v 2
We do not know all the causes for all sexual preferences today.
I recall hearing a report about male fish having no interest in the female fish.
Upon examination of the males the discovery was made that the males had female brains.
Female brains they concluded due to too much estrogen in the water.

A mother of twin sons who always wanted to play as girls play and dress as girl's dress started to study the Bible.
The one twin did not want to give up the course he was following, but the other twin was willing to give up female dress and live by biblical requirements to become as Christian.
As 1st Corinthians 6 v 11 A states '....and such ' were ' some of you.' [ ' were ' as in past tense ]
So, there have always been those like those of verses 9,10 that were willing to give up personal preferences for God.
Jesus was willing to forgo fornication and marriage too in order to do his Father's will.
Both Jesus and Job proved Satan a liar that under adverse conditions no one would be faithful.- Job 2 vs 4,5.
They both knew the present for them was temporary, but the coming healthy everlasting life would be permanent.
 
Old 11-11-2013, 06:07 PM
 
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Homosexuality is considered Sexual Immorality as it is sex outside of marriage and since God doesn't recognize same sex marriages in his word and never will, Homosexual sex will always be sexual immorality and no sexually immoral person will enter the kingdom of heaven.

There is no loophole in this command from God not to practice that kind of lifestyle. Sexual Immorality applies to Gay and Straight people!!!
Does this mean that every person who has ever had sex outside of marriage will not go to heaven?
 
Old 11-11-2013, 06:58 PM
 
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Does this mean that every person who has ever had sex outside of marriage will not go to heaven?
It means they must repent, turn about from the practice (stop it) and pray to God for forgiveness based on Jesus sacrifice. They can't keep doing it.
 
Old 11-11-2013, 07:47 PM
 
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Man's opinions...
Agreed. I would go even further as to say this is modern Christian man opinions. This becomes painfully obvious after reading the entire threads he posted.
 
Old 11-11-2013, 07:58 PM
 
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Agreed. I would go even further as to say this is modern Christian man opinions. This becomes painfully obvious after reading the entire threads he posted.
The only pain that will be obvious is when you're held to account for rejecting God's Word ... which I only re-voiced.

1] marital unfaithfulnes: Matthew 19:9, Matthew 5:31,32
[2] malicious desertion of the spouse: Malachi 2:14-15
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" 'I hate divorce,' says the LORD God of Israel..' " Malachi 2:16
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Matthew 5:28
But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
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A pastor (and their wife) have been held to conduct standard by God in keeping the office called as a pastor. Titus 1:5-9 ... 1 Timothy 3:1-12
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Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.” John 8:11
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Hebrews 13:4
Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral.
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Jesus said
Mark 10:5-7
" But at the beginning of creation God ‘made them male and female.’
‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife,
and the two will become one flesh.’ So they are no longer two, but one flesh. "

 
Old 11-11-2013, 09:08 PM
 
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It means they must repent, turn about from the practice (stop it) and pray to God for forgiveness based on Jesus sacrifice. They can't keep doing it.
So what is the cutoff? Can you repent on your death bed? Can you do it for 20 years and then see how wrong it was and still be OK? What if you stop and repent, but you are weak and do it again? Can you stop and repent again?
 
Old 11-11-2013, 11:57 PM
 
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The Book of Leviticus And Epistle of Romans Both demonize it and call it evil,
However these where not written by God and are imperfect works that where written by men.

In fact the Old Testament is so twisted by mankind that its authors demand the murder of sinners, some thing which is at odds with the teachings of love found with our Messiah, Jesus Christ.

Homosexuality is not a sin because it does not harm any one. Sins are harmful acts and nothing more.
It is natural because many animals in nature do it.
It is also natural because people are born with their orientation which can not change and we where all created by the same god who determined our orientation for us.
 
Old 11-12-2013, 03:03 AM
 
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The only pain that will be obvious is when you're held to account for rejecting God's Word ... which I only re-voiced.
Ah, there's the old fire and brimstone Twin...I was starting to think you had gotten past that...oh well. If it wasn't you, it would be someone else, so why not stick with tradition?! You've only re-voiced your own interpretations of those verses which are based on a more recent set of traditions and questionable cross cultural context. You've done a good job of re-voicing these ideas and re-posting the verses ...unfortunately, you did a better job if ignoring the best counter arguments on those threads...which I would hope would be obvious to anyone who reads them all the way through, but I suppose are all a slave to our biases. The other side isn't much better in that regard, but I do find on average they are less of a slave to black and white thinking.
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