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Old 01-15-2010, 06:45 PM
 
Location: Seattle, Wa
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those who do not abide in him, by continually keeping the commandments, will be cut off and thrown outside into the fire......It means you are LOST. Repenting, turning from sin..... until one repents of it and turns to him..... Always keep in mind that many are called but only a few are chosen.......to enter into the narrow gate.......we will not get through it walking the broad path.
I thought you were a Universalist?

 
Old 01-15-2010, 06:46 PM
 
Location: Prattville, Alabama
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Mike it looks like your thread is being over-run by legalists.
I'm am quite proud to be called a legalist....because Jesus was one too and that is who I follow and aspire to be like.
 
Old 01-15-2010, 06:54 PM
 
Location: Flower Mound, Texas
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I'm am quite proud to be called a legalist....because Jesus was one too and that is who I follow and aspire to be like.
I deleted that post Christy...it is not typical of me to act this way...I am just hurt and angry.. Sorry.
 
Old 01-15-2010, 06:59 PM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither [can] a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 12:33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by [his] fruit.


godspeed,

freedom
 
Old 01-15-2010, 06:59 PM
 
Location: Prattville, Alabama
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I deleted that post Christy...it is not typical of me to act this way...I am just hurt and angry.. Sorry.
It's OK...we all get a little frustrated sometimes....I try not to point fingers and tell people they're lost....like some others on this forum. I don't know peoples hearts...only God does and we shouldn't be telling anyone they are lost if they don't believe the same way we do.

I can agree to disagree with anyone...because the only one I will have to answer for in the end is me and no one else....and I hope we can still be friends even though we don't agree.
 
Old 01-15-2010, 07:37 PM
 
Location: Flower Mound, Texas
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I'm am quite proud to be called a legalist....because Jesus was one too and that is who I follow and aspire to be like.


Perhaps this will help you with this issue of legalism.


Legalism, What Exactly Is It?
 
Old 01-15-2010, 10:39 PM
 
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The branch and the salt stories surely do seem to indicate that salvation can be lost. The more I read, the more convinced I become about that. I will talk to my pastor about it on Sunday.
I have shown what Jesus was referring to when He was talking about the vine and the branches at the following link.

The Story of the Vine: Salvation Or First Inheritance? POST #7
 
Old 01-15-2010, 11:30 PM
 
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Here's a link to an interesting site with a detailed historical timeline of how the doctrine of salvation by faith alone developed from Marcionite teachings long after the Lord's Apostles were killed off.


http://jesuswordsonly.com/images/stories/Salvation/Conclusion%20-%20Chronolgy%20Table%20for%20online.pdf


A brief extract:

"160-325 A.D. Church leaders such as Polycarp, Barnabas, Hermas, Clement of Alexandria, Origen, Hippolytus, Cyprian and Lanctatius speak out on correct salvation doctrine which Marcionites falsify. “The early Christians universally believed that works or obedience play an essential role in our salvation....Early Christians...believed that a ‘saved’ person could still end up being lost.”
Salvation by faith alone is taught by the Bible. It is not something that was invented by the church. Many of the church leaders listed above, such as Origen and Clement of Alexandria were heretics who taught false doctrine.

What does the Word of God itself say about the matter?

Eph. 2:8-9 'For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9) NOT of works, that no one should boast.'

Just as you are not saved by works as Eph. 2:8-9 states, you do not maintain your salvation by works.


Romans 11:6 But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace.

Titus 3:5 says, 'He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit.'

The books of Romans and Galatians are about salvation by grace and not by works.

Now, regarding sin, Jesus Christ paid for every single sin in the history of the human race. It is impossible to commit a sin for which Christ did not die. Since Christ paid the penalty for all sin, how then can anyone think that they can commit a sin that could cause them to lose their salvation?

The sacrifice of Christ was once for all.

Hebrews 10:10 'By this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 12) But He, having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, sat down at the right hand of God.

The Scriptures declare that works are not an issue in salvation and that all sins were paid for by the once and for all sacrifice of Christ. This means that there is absolutely nothing that any believer can do to lose his salvation. Period.

But the legalists will not accept this. They don't want to believe it. They want to believe they are important enough to be able to impress God with their efforts and their righteousness. They can't. God utterly rejects any effort on the part of man to earn salvation. God did all the work and man simply receives the benefit through faith expressed in Christ based on His work on the Cross.

To the legalists, the above verses mean nothing. The legalists are offended by the truth. The legalists are proud of their righeousness. But here is what God thinks of human righteousness.

Isa. 64:6 'For all of us have become like one who is unclean, And all our righteous deeds are like a filthy garment. (Literally, a used Menstrual rag) That is what God thinks of mans relative righteousness.

The Bible makes it absolutely clear that the believers salvation is secure and cannot be lost. Since the legalists are depending on their works and on their rightousness to maintain their salvation, they probably depended on their rightousness and works to become saved by adding them to their faith. And in that case they are not even saved. After all their attempts to earn their salvation, they will the moment after their death find themselves in Torments in Hades awaiting their final sentencing to the eternal lake of fire. All because they would not simply trust in Christ alone for salvation.
 
Old 01-16-2010, 07:48 AM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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Wouldn't hurt either to have the greater context of more scripture than just the few books from among hundreds available that scholars chose to put in to the bible. Or to have living prophets and apostles as it was anciently...
Sure would be nice to have living prophets, but we don't. And no, the "prophets" of SLC don't count.
 
Old 01-16-2010, 07:54 AM
 
Location: Prattville, Alabama
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I have shown what Jesus was referring to when He was talking about the vine and the branches at the following link.

www.city-data.com/forum/christianity/867735-story-vine-salvation-first-inheritance.html POST #7
Mike...do you think you have the market on Truth? God is supposed to guide us into all Truth...not you Mike. Share your opinion with others but don't treat the rest of us like we don't know what we are talking about just because we don't agree with you....it's just common courtesy.
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