Athiesm or Universalism (punishment, believers, prayer, sin)

[Miss Shawn_2828]

Originally Posted by spm62

You mean like when God said he is the savior of all men,especially those that believe? Or perhaps,when Jesus said all that my father has given me I will not lose and my father has given me all things?
Yeah,I see what you mean.

Yea, just like that, interpreting the way that you want it to say. Especially, when Jesus said that all will not be in heaven. So, yes. Given me, does not mean all will be in heaven, Savior of all men, does no say all in heaven. OH, maybe it does in your interpretation.

Matthew 7:23

And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

1 Corinthians 6:9-11

Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God

God means what He says, No matter how those want to read. Jesus came to be Savior of all man-Kind, but all will not come to Him. If so He wouldn't be sending those out of His site as you see. But, of course you see what you want it to see.

The Savior of all does not mean all will come to Him. Doing some studying and research would better help you on this as obvious what it means.

[little elmer]

Originally Posted by firstborn888

I think your family may have distracted you from reading the poll carefully? After viewing the poll results I must ask - how can you - a believer in universalism think that it's (quote) "worse" and "more harmful" than atheism?

If so - why don't you just switch from universalism to atheism?

Yeah, I read it in haste - at least I declared my position in my post.

[HotinAZ]

Originally Posted by little elmer

Yeah, I read it in haste - at least I declared my position in my post.

When did you become a universalists?

[legoman]

Originally Posted by Katzpur

The poll wasn't biased at all, legoman. I didn't ask which of the two options personally appeals to you. If you consider both options to be flawed, that's fine. Obviously eternal torment is another choice or eternal annihilation. Look at it this way... Pretend you don't like either broccoli or cauliflower and you're asked in a poll to choose which one is worst. Would you have pointed out to me that peas and carrots are also vegetables?

I think I posted in haste last night. My apologies. It is your poll and you can have any options you want in it. But your poll does assume a lot, namely that both of those options are untrue.

I chose "atheism", as it denies our loving creator exists. I believe "universalism" is the truth.

[trettep]

I know that many atheists are such because of the doctrine of eternal torment. That is one doctrine that definately causes many turn off any message about a god.

[svenM]

it is wicked in my opinion to call God's will a harmful philosophy

[trettep]

Originally Posted by svenM

it is wicked in my opinion to call God's will a harmful philosophy

They do so in ignorance.

[little elmer]

Originally Posted by HotinAZ

When did you become a universalists?

Grew into it through the years - raised Pentecostal for the tenants of the Faith, and just saw more and more evidence as time went by.

[Ironmaw1776]

Its telling to see how many believe that christian universalism is a worse, more dangerous belief system than atheism ... Not believing in God at all is preferable for many Christians when compared to the thought that god would be willing to save his whole creation. The thought that God doesnt exist at all is more appealing and or bearable to them than the thought that god exists and will have mercy on all creation. In my opinion this shows the level of bigotry and hate in the Christian community for what it actually is. Very sad ...

[.sparrow.]

Originally Posted by Ironmaw1776

Its telling to see how many believe that christian universalism is a worse, more dangerous belief system than atheism ... Not believing in God at all is preferable for many Christians when compared to the thought that god would be willing to save his whole creation.

Yes, this is very, very odd.