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I got a better one, how about a woman born deaf and blind with little to no communication structure like Helen Keller and when Annie Sullivan broke through her isolation and started giving her the gospel. Helen Keller responded "I know He exist, I just never knew His name".
Awesome fact fundie, thanks.
Here's what happened a bit later:
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While quite young she was converted to the mystic New Church doctrines of Emanuel Swedenborg. The object of his doctrine was to make Christianity a living reality on earth through divine love, a theology that fitted Miss Keller's sense of social mission.
It's a debatable subject but it's personally easier for me to believe they (infants who are aborted or die for whateverr reason) do go to heaven.
I believe their "rewards" will be substancially less due to not establishing works. As infants they are certainly born with a sinful nature (as all of
us have been born into) ,but they haven't literally sinned nor have they reached the age of reason albeit accountability, whereby they need to repent and be baptized. Some religions believe in infant baptism seen necessary around 250 AD,but that's why they are religions and
clinging to pagan ritual eliminating the need to repent and having other adult sinners as some sort of sponsor (please stop). Anyway, the Pharisees brought infants to Jesus so that He would touch them, but when the disciples saw it; they rebucked them. Jesus said wait andcalled to them unto Him and said " Suffer the children to come unto meand forbid them not for theirs is the kingdom of heaven." I believe this sentiment throughout Jesus' ministry gives strong implication that children are sent to heaven and even bypass judgement (we will face) as there isn't anything to judge.
Amen....I agree !!
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who said the boy is not saved? and even if the boy wasn't God is justified. Your questions are loaded.
Amen....aren't they always !!! That is part of the game of what deception is about....
I don't do those things because I believe in consequences for choices...
If you will deeply reconsider this line of thinking you should be able to see the shallowness of it.
Yes, on a VERY elementary base nature/animalistic way - this manner of controlling yourself through fear of bad consequences works. It even works on dogs (mine knows if he comes inside the door of the house he will be shouted at and, if need be, kicked out - so he resists the urge to come in).
Yet in rebirth these fear motivations are absolutely unnecessary as a new nature is imparted that WANTS to love others as God does and acts from this imparted virtue. ALL ELSE IS SIN. "Acting right" simply to save one's own rear end is a sign of... well... you can figure it out.
God is love. Love works no ill to his neighbor. If you are of God you will work no ill to your neighbor out of DESIRE, not to avoid punishment.
Really folks - I hear this a lot from Christians and it's dang scary. Maybe I should reconsider trying to show Christians about universal reconciliation because (from what many have stated) they will be murdering, stealing, raping (and fundie once said he would hit the strip clubs right away) if there was no eternal hell.
do aborted babies go to heaven? do they even have a soul?
I don't believe that unborn children have a soul, but only God knows what will happen to them.
Ecclesiastes 6:3-6 says
If a man beget a hundred children, and live many years, so that the days of his years are many, but his soul be not filled with good, and moreover he have no burial; I say, that an untimely birth is better than he: for it cometh in vanity, and departeth in darkness, and the name thereof is covered with darkness; moreover it hath not seen the sun nor known it; this hath rest rather than the other: yea, though he live a thousand years twice told, and yet enjoy no good, do not all go to one place?
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Yes aborted babies go to heaven and yes they have a soul.
this makes me wonder, you always say you won't go beyond what is written, where is written that unborn children have a soul? - where is written that anybody goes to heaven when they die?
I don't believe that unborn children have a soul, but only God knows what will happen to them.
Ecclesiastes 6:3-6 says
If a man beget a hundred children, and live many years, so that the days of his years are many, but his soul be not filled with good, and moreover he have no burial; I say, that an untimely birth is better than he: for it cometh in vanity, and departeth in darkness, and the name thereof is covered with darkness; moreover it hath not seen the sun nor known it; this hath rest rather than the other: yea, though he live a thousand years twice told, and yet enjoy no good, do not all go to one place?
this makes me wonder, you always say you won't go beyond what is written, where is written that unborn children have a soul? - where is written that anybody goes to heaven when they die?
If they move in the womb they are a living soul. You abort that living soul then you are a murderer the death will be account to you. Look at the creation of man, God breathed the living soul in Adam. Before that he was a non living hunk of clay.
God breathed the living soul in Adam. Before that he was a non living hunk of clay.
this is the reason why I believe unborn childs have no soul, they do not breath on their own - or is this wrong? But I see, it's foolish to claim a unborn child has no soul, but it begins to be a living soul as soon as it leaves the womb, nobody can answer it, the bible is silent on this issue.
this makes me wonder, you always say you won't go beyond what is written, where is written that unborn children have a soul? - where is written that anybody goes to heaven when they die?
If that is your belief then consider this: If you ever come upon a small child who is drowning, your extended had could become a wellspring of eternal agony. After all - if the child lives to adulthood the odds are hell. "Few there be who find it".
this is the reason why I believe unborn childs have no soul, they do not breath on their own - or is this wrong? But I see, it's foolish to claim a unborn child has no soul, but it begins to be a living soul as soon as it leaves the womb, nobody can answer it, the bible is silent on this issue.
They do breath on there own in the womb, breathing and moving is proof they are living souls if they were not living souls there would be no movement.
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who said the boy is not saved? and even if the boy wasn't God is justified. Your questions are loaded.
) if there was no eternal hell. 