Scriptures that proved to me Universal Salvation is true (Corinthians, wife, reject) - - Page 58 - City-Data Forum

Richard1965 · 02-15-2010, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike555

Neither it seems can you comprehend this.

John 3:36 He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.

Comprehend this.

When Jesus says in Matthew 7:23 ''And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.

The word 'DEPART' <>APOCHOREO<> is in the Greek Present Imperative which means that the commanded separation is forever.

PRESENT=continuous, habitual; IMPERATIVE=a command

The command of Jesus Christ is to depart from Him FOREVER.

The unbeliever is commanded to depart from the presence of the Lord forever.

And if you are not in the presence of the Lord then where are you?...

Richard1965 · 02-15-2010, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike555

I'm not debating with you. I'm telling you that you are in direct opposition to the word of God and teaching Satanic doctrines whether you know it or not.

Maybe Legoman has done something atrocious in his life that made him feel condemned so in turning to UR the feeling of condemnation disappeard...It tickled his ears and now he is trying to push it on others in order to be in a group that believe the same thing so they can convince each other of the lie and make it Truth to them...Maybe his conscience is seared...

legoman · 02-15-2010, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Richard1965

Where does it say they are elected for a special role?...such twisting of scripture is horrible...

You've got to be kidding me!?! When someone is elected - they are elected to something! That is what being elected means.

Who is twisting scripture?!? "All men doesn't mean 'all men' it only means all sorts of men"

Sheesh.

Ocean Drifter · 02-15-2010, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by legoman

The context of all scripture is this:

God is making mankind into His image - His image is love. We must learn what love is. Part of learning love is learning how to overcome evil. That is why God is giving us an experience of evil (Ecc 1:13) - to humble us, and to learn how to overcome evil with goodness.

God's plan is not to burn most of humanity forever while saving a small remnant. God's plan is to slowly reveal and remove the veil that we all see through so we can see the truth that God is good and so we can all learn the knowledge of good and evil so we can be GOOD.

This is all about learning how to love. This whole myth of eternal punishment is simply one of the evils we must learn to overcome.

God will indeed save all from the sin of this world when all is said and done.

That is the higher level context that all scripture must be viewed from.

The salt of the Bible is 1st Corinthians 15:35-58.
and John 3:16 shows the way through the crucible of the fleshy one.
The Cross is the door (way/metanoia-greek aka Metempsychosis/Transpersonal Transcendance) humankind must/will endure.
Spirituality (not the religiosity-of-man) is our only ticket out of here. We create the vehicle.

"Matter, on this plane of existence is the vehicle for the manifestation of the soul.
The Soul, on a higher plane of manifestation is the vehicle for the manifestation of the Spirit.
These three, are 'a Trinity' synthesized by Life,
Which pervades them all!"

Money changers have been replaced by word changers
ah turn ye's............, Attorneys, 'lettered men'-of-the-law. ha!

Scripture is exoteric and esoteric, 'ambiguous', to keep the profane and the ignorant from using for it for self-centered purposes, for those who have eyes to see.
Yet, the backbiting continues.....

Richard1965 · 02-15-2010, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by legoman

Fine, I'm not debating you either. This thread is about the scriptures which led me to understand God's plan of universal salvation for all. I fully expect many people to say I'm wrong, but they can't refute the scriptures I present.

Its apparent to me that you don't really believe the scriptures, and instead are resorting to silly retorts like "you are on the side of Satan".

Oh, yes...the scriptures you present can easily be refuted...because you are taking them out of context with the rest of Scripture either deliberately or out of ignorance...either way you are taking them out of context and are snaring Fundamentalist with your Heresy...

twin.spin · 02-15-2010, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Richard1965

Maybe Legoman has done something atrocious in his life that made him feel condemned so in turning to UR the feeling of condemnation disappeard...It tickled his ears and now he is trying to push it on others in order to be in a group that believe the same thing so they can convince each other of the lie and make it Truth to them...Maybe his conscience is seared...

That is very plausible

, maybe not in this instance but that could be why UR is appealing

legoman · 02-15-2010, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Richard1965

Maybe Legoman has done something atrocious in his life that made him feel condemned so in turning to UR the feeling of condemnation disappeard...It tickled his ears and now he is trying to push it on others in order to be in a group that believe the same thing so they can convince each other of the lie and make it Truth to them...Maybe his conscience is seared...

Give it up Richard. Now you are turning to personal character assassination.

Richard1965 · 02-15-2010, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by sciotamicks

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How? What you have failed to do is read into the context of the entire discourse. You have taken one verse, out of context to support your paradigm. Eisegesis leads to a false gospel.

You believe, that mankind will only go through a "corretive" period after death. This is contradictory to scripture. This is the premise I atack.

The Bible says God desires all men to be saved. This doesn't mean that all men desire to be saved. But then again, you believe that we are all robots.

I can beat Legoman into submission and make him say uncle even though it is not what he wants to do...how much more can God do to fallen man?...

Richard1965 · 02-15-2010, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by sciotamicks

Yes it does. Read it again. And not just one verse. There is no "get out of jail" free card for those that deny the gospel.

Generally put...but i agree with you on this...

Richard1965 · 02-15-2010, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike555

I have already told you that you have no understanding about the scriptures you are using. And I have told you what some of them mean. And, I have posted passages that show the the unbeliever does go into eternal separation from God. Passages which you ignore. But if you want to post about how you have set yourself against the truth, then do so.

But if you think that perverting the Gospel and saying that all will be saved when all will not be saved is not being on the side of Satan, you had better think again. You are pushing a Satanic doctrine that seeks to dispel the need to accept God's offer of salvation through faith in Christ.

Hit 'im again, Mike, hit 'im again!..I know, that was childish...i just couldn't resist...