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Old 02-11-2010, 01:44 PM
 
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This is a chilling reminder of our loved ones being lost to this eternal fate. It makes me sad when I think of my friends going here but the true horror is not that they might go there but that I never warned them of this place. As Way of the Master says. The 8 minutes you took to watch this video are gone forever. Go share your faith while you still can


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFZ1p...eature=related
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Old 02-11-2010, 01:50 PM
 
Location: New York City
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This is a chilling reminder of our loved ones being lost to this eternal fate. It makes me sad when I think of my friends going here but the true horror is not that they might go there but that I never warned them of this place. As Way of the Master says. The 8 minutes you took to watch this video are gone forever. Go share your faith while you still can


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFZ1p...eature=related
Thanks for your usefull thread. Here some additional information about Hell.

The Truth About Hell
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Old 02-11-2010, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Seattle, Washington
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This is a chilling reminder of our loved ones being lost to this eternal fate. It makes me sad when I think of my friends going here but the true horror is not that they might go there but that I never warned them of this place. As Way of the Master says. The 8 minutes you took to watch this video are gone forever. Go share your faith while you still can


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFZ1p...eature=related
When someone actually gets a letter from Hell... let me know. Then I can finally start believing in fairy tales and imaginary friends and the boogeyman.

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Old 02-11-2010, 01:58 PM
 
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LOL! The thought that a basically innocent teenager deserves an ETERNITY in hell is simply laughable. The threat of Hell has been a tool used by many religions to control people. Simple as that!
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Old 02-11-2010, 02:04 PM
 
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what makes you think this universe isn't hell?

it definitely has some hellish elements for us to be aware of the concept of hell. so you could argue it's very close to hell. there are hellish elements in nature and in living organisms.

this place is pretty much hell as we are left on our own to fight over resources at the expense of other life, having to kill to survive or defend oneself or suffering of life which is sadistic. now that is hell in it's own way. listen to the intro to the outer limits and it's true.

if this place was so good, people wouldn't even think of places concepts like heaven (wanting to leave this place) or hell. evidently it is an awareness that it could be worse (and sometimes it is) and it can be better. you can experience hell here depending on circumstances, no need to be anywhere else for that.

we get a glimmer of heaven by such experiences as love, care, and justice. but it's constantly in battle with evil as well in nature or is often compromised by it.
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Old 02-11-2010, 02:11 PM
 
Location: New England
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This is a chilling reminder of our loved ones being lost to this eternal fate. It makes me sad when I think of my friends going here but the true horror is not that they might go there but that I never warned them of this place. As Way of the Master says. The 8 minutes you took to watch this video are gone forever. Go share your faith while you still can

The lengths a man will go to try and prove a place of eternal torment exists and yet relegate what we have absolute assurity about "the good news that Jesus took away sin and defeated death for all" to something of secondary importance defies belief.
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Old 02-11-2010, 02:37 PM
 
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The idea that one human can determine another human's eternal destiny (by their inaction or lack of witness or whatever) is absurd from the get-go. Even if you believe in eternal torment you must also think that if one has the propensity for salvation that God will make sure they have an opportunity, right?

I mean - honestly, I don't know what you guys (ET believers) think. This vid is a perfect example of the absurdity of the doctrine of ET. One human cuts off the life of another, fixing their eternal doom.

Here is an old letter (1861) which addresses this very thing:

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A young lady, respectable, but not converted, is met and ravished, under a dark night, by a villain, who destroys her life to escape detection. Sent thus hurriedly to her God in sin, she is, by the conditions of your creed, of course, lost. No cycle of eternity but shall witness her unrelieved despair. Her soul is assassinated. Out of a dark night of time, she is hurled into a darker night of eternity. The brutal hand that cut her probation short off, thereby plunged her infinitely below the sphere of possible life, shut her up in woe, bolted the door upon her, threw away the key, and left her to pine in anguish forever.

So your creed! And now, leaving her there in her woe, let us turn to look after her murderer. As "murder will out," he is detected, arrested, executed. But, while in prison, blessed with a probation which he forbade to his victim, he comes to himself, heeds his spiritual advisers, repents, exhorts the multitudes from the scaffold, and swings from it into Paradise. And there, because he had much forgiven, he loves much, and never ceases to give thanks for the prison confinement through which the mercy of God reached him.

Thus in heaven the murderer sings. But the young lady, his victim, where is she all this time? Lost! lost! He may have time for repentance, but not she. That was forbidden her, by the red hand that plunged the dagger to her heart. Mercy may come to his prison, but not to hers. That red hand of his may live to be washed, and forever twine wreaths for the immaculate brow of Him whose wrath she must forever bear.
Like if said before, if you believe this stuff and ever see a small child drowning you'd better think twice before pulling them out of the water because your outstretched hand will most likely be for them the wellspring of eternal torment as you are giving them a probable one way ticket downstairs ("few there be who find it").

Your hand reaching out to "save" will be the worst moment of their entire existence. Yes, you may go to jail for your inaction but that would be a small price to pay.

Sound crazy? Nuts? It is. But don't blame me - blame the ones who push this absurd doctrine which requires people like me to point out the absurdity of it.
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Old 02-11-2010, 02:49 PM
 
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The idea that one human can determine another human's eternal destiny (by their inaction or lack of witness or whatever) is absurd from the get-go. Even if you believe in eternal torment you must also think that if one has the propensity for salvation that God will make sure they have an opportunity, right?

Exactly! I've seen this video before - it is nothing more than a "Christian" Horror film. Sick sick sick stuff, designed to scare people and make them feel guilty.

Salvation is a work of God, remember? God doesn't need to rely on feeble humans to save other feeble humans.

This is where Arminian's should become Calvinist's -> they realize that God is in control of who gets saved.

Then we just need to convince the Calvinist's to become Universalist's -> by realizing that God loves everyone.
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Old 02-11-2010, 10:48 PM
 
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Jesus said this:

Joh 8:32 And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.

If the letter from hell had any truth to proclaim, the person who wrote it would by necessity be free. The knowledge of truth, any truth for that matter, will only set you free. Jesus said: I am the way, the "truth" and the life.

To know truth concerning anything, anything at all (Christ is all truth) will only set you free. Nothing truthful can come forth from bondage. I'm assuming hell fire is bondage. Correct me if I'm wrong...LOL

Nothing drinkable comes out of a sewer. Nothing. That makes the video a lie and the person who concocted it worse:

Rom 1:29 having been filled with all unrighteousness, whoredom, wickedness, covetousness, malice; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil dispositions; whisperers,
Rom 1:30 evil-speakers, God-haters, insulting, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31 unintelligent, faithless, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful;

We are to be better than that. We are not to create lies or think upon lies. We are to think upon the truth:

Php 4:8 For the rest, brothers, whatever is true, whatever honorable, whatever is right, whatever pure, whatever lovely, whatever of good report, if of any virtue, and if of any praise, think on these things.

Repent and believe in the Gospel!
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Old 02-11-2010, 11:00 PM
 
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This is a chilling reminder of our loved ones being lost to this eternal fate. It makes me sad when I think of my friends going here but the true horror is not that they might go there but that I never warned them of this place. As Way of the Master says. The 8 minutes you took to watch this video are gone forever. Go share your faith while you still can


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFZ1p...eature=related

YEAH! More Christian torture porn! It is all our fault that our loved ones go to hell and are tortured by God for ever! That is exactly what most christian believe the message that the good news of Christ is all about! Another stirling example of the traditional fundamentalist gospel that gives us the terror that surpasses all understanding!

Thanks Fundie !!!

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