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Old 01-23-2010, 11:02 AM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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Following is a link which explains the word 'believe' as used in John 3:16. Understand that the issue, the subject being discussed here is only salvation, and NOT the way that a believer should live AFTER salvation. They are two different things. This link shows that only a one time moment of faith in Christ is what saves you. Continuous faith throughout your life is not a requirement to MAINTAIN your salvation. And again, this has nothing to do with the fact that as a believer, you are commanded to grow up spiritually. That is a completely thing from the moment of salvation which is secured by one moment of faith in Christ. There is NO merit in faith. The merit is in the object of your faith. The object of your faith in salvation is Jesus Christ. By making a one time decision to place your trust in what Christ accomplished on the Cross, you are saved forever. Here is the link;

BIBLE STUDY MANUALS: CONTINUOUS FAITH IS NOT REQUIRED OF MAN TO BE SAVED

I decided to add a second link for more information.

Grace in Focus (http://www.faithalone.org/news/y2006/wilkin1.html - broken link)

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Old 01-23-2010, 11:32 AM
 
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If someone, who was once saved, becomes a whoremonger, is he stilled saved?
 
Old 01-23-2010, 12:11 PM
 
Location: Prattville, Alabama
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Following is a link which explains the word 'believe' as used in John 3:16. Understand that the issue, the subject being discussed here is only salvation, and NOT the way that a believer should live AFTER salvation. They are two different things. This link shows that only a one time moment of faith in Christ is what saves you. Continuous faith throughout your life is not a requirement to MAINTAIN your salvation. And again, this has nothing to do with the fact that as a believer, you are commanded to grow up spiritually. That is a completely thing from the moment of salvation which is secured by one moment of faith in Christ. There is NO merit in faith. The merit is in the object of your faith. The object of your faith in salvation is Jesus Christ. By making a one time decision to place your trust in what Christ accomplished on the Cross, you are saved forever. Here is the link;

BIBLE STUDY MANUALS: CONTINUOUS FAITH IS NOT REQUIRED OF MAN TO BE SAVED

I decided to add a second link for more information.

Grace in Focus (http://www.faithalone.org/news/y2006/wilkin1.html - broken link)
Belief, Believe, Believers [Verb]
pisteuo "to believe," also "to be persuaded of," and hence, "to place confidence in, to obey, to trust, to rely upon" signifies, in this sense of the word, reliance upon, not mere credence in a fact. It is most frequent in the writings of the Apostle John, especially the Gospel. He does not use the noun (see below). For the Lord's first use of the verb, see John_1:50. Of the writers of the Gospels, Matthew uses the verb ten times, Mark ten, Luke nine, John ninety-nine. In Acts_5:14 the present participle of the verb is translated "believers." See COMMIT (http://www.antioch.com.sg/cgi-bin/bible/vines/get_defn.pl?num=0504 - broken link), INTRUST (http://www.antioch.com.sg/cgi-bin/bible/vines/get_defn.pl?num=1524 - broken link), TRUST (http://www.antioch.com.sg/cgi-bin/bible/vines/get_defn.pl?num=3093 - broken link).


Verb (active) present participle tense
Gr. pisteuon eis = to keep on obeying/relying/trusting/committing unto/into (This Greek word never means belief in a fact or creed)

This is not a one time thing....is should continue throughout your life.

Proving the false statement that Mike made: One can totally reject Christ after believing in him and still be saved. This verse alone says differently and so do many others that say to "believe in".

There are so many being led down the broad road because they don't take the time to find out what God really wants from us.

You are causing people to stray from the truth of Jesus clear words....continuous faithfulness and obedience is a requirement to remain saved.

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Old 01-23-2010, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Prattville, Alabama
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If someone, who was once saved, becomes a whoremonger, is he stilled saved?
By Jesus clear and precise words....unless one repents and turns from sin....they are LOST!!! But you already know that....and Mike will claim you can sin all you want and still be saved....WHAT A LIE!!!
 
Old 01-23-2010, 12:39 PM
 
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By Jesus clear and precise words....unless one repents and turns from sin....they are LOST!!! But you already know that....and Mike will claim you can sin all you want and still be saved....WHAT A LIE!!!
Yes, we must turn from all sin.

Ephesians 5
5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth; )
10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
 
Old 01-23-2010, 12:44 PM
 
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do I understand you right, if I ever believed in Jesus in my life for a single moment, and then did vicious things what ever I wanted, I will still be saved?
 
Old 01-23-2010, 12:45 PM
 
Location: Prattville, Alabama
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Yes, we must turn from all sin.

Ephesians 5
5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth; )
10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
That is one of the verses that just proves even more how many times Paul (who is not inspired by the biblical standards laid out in Deut from God) contradicts himself yet again.
 
Old 01-23-2010, 12:48 PM
 
Location: Prattville, Alabama
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do I understand you right, if I ever believed in Jesus in my life for a single moment, and then did vicious things what ever I wanted, I will still be saved?
That is exactly what Mike is trying to pass as truth even though Jesus never said this.
 
Old 01-23-2010, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Pilot Point, TX
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Interesting isn't it that Jesus told us to take up our cross and follow - why is that? Because the carnal man is the enemy of Christ (anti-Christ), and that life must be extinguished through abiding in Him and denying the old man.

Abiding is not cruise-control.
 
Old 01-23-2010, 01:00 PM
 
Location: Prattville, Alabama
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Interesting isn't it that Jesus told us to take up our cross and follow - why is that? Because the carnal man is the enemy of Christ (anti-Christ), and that life must be extinguished through abiding in Him and denying the old man.

Abiding is not cruise-control.
He also told us to count the cost before doing it....does that sound as cheap, easy, free and secure as Mike likes to make everyone think it is?
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