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Old 01-23-2010, 04:45 PM
 
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Most Bible commentaries that I have read concluded that, either these are the spirits or saints, or the Jewish people, (if this was so, then woe unto us Christians...we don't stand a chance, not only are we rejected by Christ, he chose the very people who denied and crucified him.

The word Jews, is short for Judaism...a RELIGION, and not a race.

Revelation 7 speaks of the elect as coming from the 12 tribes of Israel (which are now dispersed to the 4 corners of the earth...us), which means that ALL NATIONS of the world are candidates for this election.

Are they ALIVE? I BELIEVE SO!

The question is, "How to go through the 12 gates"... (Rev. 21:12-13, 17)

Revelation 7:2-4
And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea.

Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads 36?

comment: The weight of 36 is 666 when you plus the digits 1+2+3+4+5+6...all the way to 36 will equal 666. (The opposite of God's Mark?)

And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of ISRAEL.

comment: If the angels were to hurt the earth before the chosen were sealed, then they would perish as well. (Die)

Revelation 14:1-5 This passage seems to dash the hope of Christians if you don't look at it closely.

v1 And Looked and lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Zion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

comment: John SAW them, tangible, in the flesh!

v2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: (Spirit/angels)

v3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no MAN could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

v4 These are they which were not defiled by women; (male) for they were virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These are the redeemed from among MEN, being the firstfruits (sacrifice) unto God and to the Lamb.

v5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they were "WITHOUT FAULT" before the throne of God.

comment: Jesus would not have to die for them for they are without sin!
Throughout the 66 books of the bible, I have not read of ONE, let alone 144,000 males who are faultless, except for the ONLY begotten son of GOD, The Lord Jesus Christ.

Yet, I cannot deny what is written...then I remembered the slaughter of MALE BABIES, from two years old and below, ordered by herod in search for the newborn Messiah. They must have been the descendants of Joseph, for It was Rachel who wept (Matthew 2:18). These INDEED would be the firstfruits (sacrifice) unto God and to the Lamb. They are WITHOUT GUILE. *The angels who will escort the elect.

Mark 13:20 And except that the LORD had SHORTENED THOSE DAYS, NO FLESH (ALIVE) should be saved: BUT FOR THE ELECT SAKE, WHOM HE HATH CHOSEN, he hath shortened the days.

Mark 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to SEDUCE, if it were possible, even the ELECT.

comment: NOT POSSIBLE!

Mark 13:27 And then shall he *send his angels and gather together his ELECT from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

Revelation 21:12-13,17 The Holy Jerusalem Positioning

...And had a wall great and high, and had 12 gates, and at the gates 12 angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the 12 tribes of the children of ISRAEL: (Rev. 7:5-8)

On the east 3 gates; (36,000)
On the north 3 gates (36,000)
South 3 gates (36,000)
West 3 gates (36,000)

36x4 = 144,000

And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four (144) cubits, according to the measure of man, that is, of an angel.

Revelation 22:14-15

Blessed are they that do his commandments, (Love thy GOD with all that you are, and Love your neighbor as you love yourself, for when you can do this, 2 to 9 will already be obeyed)

That they may have right to the TREE OF LIFE, and may ENTER through the gates into the City.

For without are DOGS, and SORCERERS, and WHOREMONGERS, and MURDERERS, and IDOLATERS, and WHOSOEVER, LOVETH AND MAKETH A LIE.
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Old 01-23-2010, 04:52 PM
 
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Jews from the 12 tribes. God has no covenant with the gentiles. The gentiles living during the tribulation will suffer much
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They are the elected Jewish Christians of the first century.
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Old 01-23-2010, 05:17 PM
 
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Jews from the 12 tribes. God has no covenant with the gentiles. The gentiles living during the tribulation will suffer much
Our LORD JESUS CHRIST DIED FOR "ALL SINNERS" belonging to all races and all religions who have repented, and those who will be repentant of their sins before the last days. This in particular is..."PRIDE", without compassion for one's fellowman.

WE HAVE ONE GOD AND WORSHIP HIM ALONE!
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Old 01-23-2010, 05:57 PM
 
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Our LORD JESUS CHRIST DIED FOR "ALL SINNERS" belonging to all races and all religions who have repented, and those who will be repentant of their sins before the last days. This in particular is..."PRIDE", without compassion for one's fellowman.

WE HAVE ONE GOD AND WORSHIP HIM ALONE!
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Old 01-23-2010, 06:05 PM
 
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Rev 7:4-8 And I hear the number of those sealed: a hundred forty-four thousand. Sealed out of every tribe of the sons of Israel are: (5) out of the tribe of Judah twelve thousand are sealed; out of the tribe of Reuben twelve thousand; out of the tribe of Gad twelve thousand; (6) out of the tribe of Asher twelve thousand; out of the tribe of Naphtali twelve thousand; out of the tribe of Manasseh twelve thousand; (7) out of the tribe of Simeon twelve thousand; out of the tribe of Levi twelve thousand; out of the tribe of Issachar twelve thousand; (8) out of the tribe of Zebulon twelve thousand; out of the tribe of Joseph twelve thousand; out of the tribe of Benjamin twelve thousand are sealed.

12 x 12,000 = 144,000

This 144,000 will be sealed in the future day of the Lord prior to Christ setting up His 1000 year kingdom on the earth.

They are not believers of the nations but of the 12 tribes.
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Old 01-23-2010, 06:15 PM
 
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Jewish Christian tribes. One is left out. Dan who is replaced by Joseph's son Manasseh. And starts with Judah, Jesus' tribe, which concludes these tribes are Christian.
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Old 01-23-2010, 06:46 PM
 
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Revelation 22:14-15

Blessed are they that do his commandments, (Love thy GOD with all that you are, and Love your neighbor as you love yourself, for when you can do this, 2 to 9 will already be obeyed)

That they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.


That they may have right to the TREE OF LIFE, and may ENTER through the gates into the City.

For without are DOGS, and SORCERERS, and WHOREMONGERS, and MURDERERS, and IDOLATERS, and WHOSOEVER, LOVETH AND MAKETH A LIE.

I have opted to quote "the word of god in the scriptures" as my contributions, rather than rely on my own words. To disregard his WORDS, uttered by the prophets of GOD, endanger us of deception!


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Old 01-23-2010, 06:53 PM
 
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Jewish Christian tribes. One is left out. Dan who is replaced by Joseph's son Manasseh. And starts with Judah, Jesus' tribe, which concludes these tribes are Christian.
This would be an interesting thread...as to why Dan was replaced by Manasseh?

Included in my book "God's Number" a copy freely given through Googles.com
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Old 01-23-2010, 08:50 PM
 
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This would be an interesting thread...as to why Dan was replaced by Manasseh?

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Dan and Ephraim (Joseph's other son) went off into idolatry throughout the OT. They were excluded.
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