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Old 02-01-2010, 11:18 PM
 
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I actually had a guy in another thread tell me that there was no way christ would use rock music to reach people.


Now , I won't even get into what his ridiculous arguments against christian rock were , but ill just ask , is that statement a blasphemy against the holy spirit? And if not , does it come pretty darn close?


If you are against christian rock , fine. But it just seems to me like a statement like that is knowingly denying what the lord has done thru christian rock , or being so against christian rock , that you refuse to accept that the lord works through it. Either way , it seems like blasphemy of the holy ghost to me. Moderator cut: Deleted as inappropriate So guys , blasphemy of the holy ghost or just darn close?

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Old 02-01-2010, 11:57 PM
 
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I actually had a guy in another thread tell me that there was no way christ would use rock music to reach people.


Now , I won't even get into what his ridiculous arguments against christian rock were , but ill just ask , is that statement a blasphemy against the holy spirit? And if not , does it come pretty darn close?


If you are against christian rock , fine. But it just seems to me like a statement like that is knowingly denying what the lord has done thru christian rock , or being so against christian rock , that you refuse to accept that the lord works through it. Either way , it seems like blasphemy of the holy ghost to me. Moderator cut: Orphaned sentence So guys , blasphemy of the holy ghost or just darn close?

Actually, I don't think blasphemy against the Holy Spirit has much to do with music. When the term was used in the Bible, it was Jesus warning people not to do it. This was immediately after some people were saying the mighty works of the Holy Spirit (healings, deliverance, miracles, etc) were of the devil, of Satan, and not from God at all. Of course, that would be blasphemy...against the Holy Spirit.

So...can God use "Christian rock" to reach people? Sure He can! He probably uses most kinds of music. Even...uh...rap. (ugh!)
I'm not sure about heavy metal though...(double ugh!)
Sounds like that guy on the other thread might be one of the "anti-rockers"...

Bud

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Old 02-02-2010, 06:20 AM
 
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I actually had a guy in another thread tell me that there was no way christ would use rock music to reach people.


Now , I won't even get into what his ridiculous arguments against christian rock were , but ill just ask , is that statement a blasphemy against the holy spirit? And if not , does it come pretty darn close?


If you are against christian rock , fine. But it just seems to me like a statement like that is knowingly denying what the lord has done thru christian rock , or being so against christian rock , that you refuse to accept that the lord works through it. Either way , it seems like blasphemy of the holy ghost to me. Moderator cut: Deleted as inappropriate So guys , blasphemy of the holy ghost or just darn close?
I am not sure how criticizing Christian rock can be blasphemy of the Holy Spirit either. My problem with that type of music is the intent. Is it used to solely glorify God or is it used wrongly to draw people to the faith and make the faith look more desirable to the world?

If it is used to solely glorify God and the lyrics are scripturally clear, concise and God honoring then I say, ROCK ON!!!!!!!!

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Old 02-02-2010, 07:38 AM
 
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I am not sure how criticizing Christian rock can be blasphemy of the Holy Spirit either. My problem with that type of music is the intent. Is it used to solely glorify God or is it used to draw people to the faith and make the faith look more desirable to the world?

If it is used to solely glorify God and the lyrics are scripturally clear, concise and God honoring then I say, ROCK ON!!!!!!!!
I will not argue with him on this issue again. To you others: I will not back down an inch. I was saved by God's grace yrs ago and after being confronted by the scriptural standards of God's Word about music and what truly honors him I gave up rock n' roll. I do not believe that that music can honor God. It is a music genre that ruined an entire generation of people along with drugs and porn. No one will ever hear rock n' roll in heaven. The music of heaven is far better and greater than that which inspires rebellion, adultery, and awful attitudes like the one that my counterpart has displayed on these threads.

That individual has continually cast aspersion, made insults, and shown hatred for me because of my stand...and somehow he thinks that God is pleased with that?

Best wishes to all.
 
Old 02-02-2010, 07:50 AM
 
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I will not argue with him on this issue again. To you others: I will not back down an inch. I was saved by God's grace yrs ago and after being confronted by the scriptural standards of God's Word about music and what truly honors him I gave up rock n' roll. I do not believe that that music can honor God. It is a music genre that ruined an entire generation of people along with drugs and porn. No one will ever hear rock n' roll in heaven. The music of heaven is far better and greater than that which inspires rebellion, adultery, and awful attitudes like the one that my counterpart has displayed on these threads.

That individual has continually cast aspersion, made insults, and shown hatred for me because of my stand...and somehow he thinks that God is pleased with that?

Best wishes to all.
I don't quite agree with your reasoning that music can't be God honoring but I do see where you are coming from. You have your opinion and I will admit that you could be right.
 
Old 02-02-2010, 07:54 AM
 
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I don't quite agree with your reasoning that music can't be God honoring but I do see where you are coming from. You have your opinion and you could be right.
The Holy Spirit says so. Strongly.

Every believer needs to follow His lead in this matter and put aside personal tastes as far as likes and dislikes. That is the only way He reaches our hearts with a full understanding. I am among those who did that. I did so many years ago but not all believers are willing to do that.

Best wishes to you.
 
Old 02-02-2010, 08:12 AM
 
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I am not sure how criticizing Christian rock can be blasphemy of the Holy Spirit either. My problem with that type of music is the intent. Is it used to solely glorify God or is it used wrongly to draw people to the faith and make the faith look more desirable to the world?

If it is used to solely glorify God and the lyrics are scripturally clear, concise and God honoring then I say, ROCK ON!!!!!!!!
So the only acceptable music is that in which the sole intent is to glorify God?

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I will not argue with him on this issue again. To you others: I will not back down an inch. I was saved by God's grace yrs ago and after being confronted by the scriptural standards of God's Word about music and what truly honors him I gave up rock n' roll. I do not believe that that music can honor God. It is a music genre that ruined an entire generation of people along with drugs and porn. No one will ever hear rock n' roll in heaven. The music of heaven is far better and greater than that which inspires rebellion, adultery, and awful attitudes like the one that my counterpart has displayed on these threads.

That individual has continually cast aspersion, made insults, and shown hatred for me because of my stand...and somehow he thinks that God is pleased with that?

Best wishes to all.
I get where you are coming from but the problem comes when you apply your conviction to everyone. I knew a wonderful Christian woman who, before she was saved, was quite prideful and showy, lacking modesty in her dress. God convicted her of that immodesty, specifically, wearing shorts. For the next 40+ years she never wore shorts again (I assume she keeps her standard still). Now, it wasn't something she applied to others. She didn't go around saying that you can't be a Christian if you wear shorts....it was a personal conviction.

I know other Christians who will not go to a movie theater, some who will not drink at all, some who give up dancing, some who give up music, etc. It based on the convictions God puts on their hearts.

I suggest you keep with your personal conviction as well....don't listen to music, especially Christian Rock. However, it's not you place to declare that it is equally wrong for others. We all have personal issues and God will deal with us. If God wants to convict others about music He will do so. It's not your place to do so.
 
Old 02-02-2010, 08:16 AM
 
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The Holy Spirit says so. Strongly.

Every believer needs to follow His lead in this matter and put aside personal tastes as far as likes and dislikes. That is the only way He reaches our hearts with a full understanding. I am among those who did that. I did so many years ago but not all believers are willing to do that.

Best wishes to you.
As stated above, you should follow His lead in this matter. You should not assume that God is leading everyone to the same conclusion regarding music. I have never been convicted of enjoying music. Maybe I never crossed the line, maybe it isn't a problem for me, maybe God has got more important things for me to work on. In the mean time, I'll enjoy singing off key in the shower and with the car radio.
 
Old 02-02-2010, 08:17 AM
 
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So the only acceptable music is that in which the sole intent is to glorify God?

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Were talking about Christian music....OF COURSE IT SHOULD BE GOD HONORING!

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Old 02-02-2010, 08:34 AM
 
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So the only acceptable music is that in which the sole intent is to glorify God?

Thank you for your reply and questions.

1. In God's eyes, all music is spiritual to one degree or another. Only man categorizes things in the way we see it in this generation. But all music either has it original source in the mind of the Lord...or in the mind of Satan. All corrupt music comes from Satan and his devils and it is also evil by degree (meaning some music is worse than others).

2. No, good 'secular' music is also good and/or acceptable to God. Remember that Romans 12:2 tells us that there are things that are 'good', 'acceptable', and 'perfect' as far as the will of God is concerned. Therefore music like 'God bless America', for example, is 'good' to Him but "Just As I Am" by Fanny Crosby is 'perfect'.

3. Rock n' roll, pop, & rap however has its roots in African voodoo music which was used by witchdoctors to conjur up evil spirits. It has many variations but much of it is based on a wild, repetitive beat which excites the flesh and lends itself to the influence and even possible possession of the listeners by evil spirits.


I get where you are coming from but the problem comes when you apply your conviction to everyone.

4. The Holy Spirit does that. He does not tell one Christian one thing and another something different. But for most believers I know they go by what they like and not what He tries to tell them in their choice of music. It is a strong prejudice that is determined by personal likes or dislikes in the taste of music and its very hard for belivievers to surrender to that which truly pleases God.

Don't get the impression that I listen only to old fashioned hymns of the faith. I enjoy Tim Janis, Giovanni, and musical themes by Barry Goldsmith quite a lot. Most of it is quite uplifting as well as beautiful but far removed from the junk food found in rock & pop.

I knew a wonderful Christian woman who, before she was saved, was quite prideful and showy, lacking modesty in her dress. God convicted her of that immodesty, specifically, wearing shorts. For the next 40+ years she never wore shorts again (I assume she keeps her standard still). Now, it wasn't something she applied to others. She didn't go around saying that you can't be a Christian if you wear shorts....it was a personal conviction.

I know other Christians who will not go to a movie theater, some who will not drink at all, some who give up dancing, some who give up music, etc. It based on the convictions God puts on their hearts.

I suggest you keep with your personal conviction as well....don't listen to music, especially Christian Rock. However, it's not you place to declare that it is equally wrong for others. We all have personal issues and God will deal with us. If God wants to convict others about music He will do so. It's not your place to do so.
Best wishes to you.
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