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Old 02-05-2010, 05:25 PM
 
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There are so many debates here, there and throughout the net regarding what is truth and what is not in Christianity.

I can say this my dear friends of the faith, once the church embraces Fulfilled Eschatology, all these debates will go silent.

We have already been reconciled in Christ, His people are already all in all with Him, and the kingdom has already been given to the saints.

It is painful, to see my futurist brothers and sisters battle it out with UR, and with UR battle it out with everyone else in regards to what is truth and what is not. Needless to say, you are all wrong. Everyone one of you in regards to Hell, Lake of Fire, Eternal Flame, God being all in all, Christ putting His enemies under His feet, Death being defeated, Sin abolished, and so on and on. The scriptures was written for us to learn what the first cenutry saints, the Old Covenant saints, endured to have what we have now. Complete communion with God and Christ, drinking form the living waters and eating from the Tree of Life. This is why I disagreee with all of you, especially UR.

You see, Futurists only have one thing wrong, timing.
UR has many things wrong, first timing, which skews everything else, including the context of it as well. UR has derailed where Premillenialists held firm in the doctrine of justification and sanctification.

At least futurism holds the context better.
UR, you have a long road to travel back to the fundamentals of the faith.
But once you are there, you will realize the blessing you have that is already yours.

Justification in His people. Christians have that now.

We are fully justified and we are completely reconciled.
There is no future reconciliation. There is no future redemption.
Once you have rejected Christ, after this life is over, there is no second chance, as that specific reconciliation has already transpired.

Onwards and upwards. In time, you will all see.
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Old 02-05-2010, 07:36 PM
 
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The Bible says we believers are reconciled NOW.

Col 1:21 And you, being once estranged and enemies in comprehension, by wicked acts, yet now He reconciles"

And the bible says God is going to reconcile all in the heavens and on the earth. (Col.1:20).

Reconciliation is the dropping of all enmity and coming together in peace. Obviously this has not occurred yet.
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Old 02-05-2010, 07:56 PM
 
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The Bible says we believers are reconciled NOW.
I agree...yay!


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And the bible says God is going to reconcile all in the heavens and on the earth. (Col.1:20).

Reconciliation is the dropping of all enmity and coming together in peace. Obviously this has not occurred yet.
Here is where we disagree. We have already come in peace with God, through Christ, and the abolishment of death and sin, that laid in the Covenant of Works...Death and Hades, Old Covenant Israel. There is no dual prophecy in play. Just one prophecy, and fuliflled once.

This was His enemy, and emnity, which was, put under His feet, and defeated, forever. Now, we are all in all!
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Old 02-05-2010, 07:59 PM
 
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There are so many debates here, there and throughout the net regarding what is truth and what is not in Christianity.

I can say this my dear friends of the faith, once the church embraces Fulfilled Eschatology, all these debates will go silent.

We have already been reconciled in Christ, His people are already all in all with Him, and the kingdom has already been given to the saints.

It is painful, to see my futurist brothers and sisters battle it out with UR, and with UR battle it out with everyone else in regards to what is truth and what is not. Needless to say, you are all wrong. Everyone one of you in regards to Hell, Lake of Fire, Eternal Flame, God being all in all, Christ putting His enemies under His feet, Death being defeated, Sin abolished, and so on and on. The scriptures was written for us to learn what the first cenutry saints, the Old Covenant saints, endured to have what we have now. Complete communion with God and Christ, drinking form the living waters and eating from the Tree of Life. This is why I disagreee with all of you, especially UR.

You see, Futurists only have one thing wrong, timing.
UR has many things wrong, first timing, which skews everything else, including the context of it as well. UR has derailed where Premillenialists held firm in the doctrine of justification and sanctification.

At least futurism holds the context better.
UR, you have a long road to travel back to the fundamentals of the faith.
But once you are there, you will realize the blessing you have that is already yours.

Justification in His people. Christians have that now.

We are fully justified and we are completely reconciled.
There is no future reconciliation. There is no future redemption.
Once you have rejected Christ, after this life is over, there is no second chance, as that specific reconciliation has already transpired.

Onwards and upwards. In time, you will all see.
Maybe we should just ALL sit under your teaching then?
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Old 02-05-2010, 08:04 PM
 
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just curious because I don't know I've never really studied anything about Fulfilled Eschatology, but wasn't Christ not supposed to come again until EVERYONE alive had a chance to respond to the gospel?
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Old 02-05-2010, 08:15 PM
 
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just curious because I don't know I've never really studied anything about Fulfilled Eschatology, but wasn't Christ not supposed to come again until EVERYONE alive had a chance to respond to the gospel?
I believe He will return physically when enough live under His Kingship now, and then they are threatened by the world. But sadly, not enough Christians even believe there is a Kingdom now. Most believe it is up ^^ there somewhere.
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Old 02-05-2010, 08:29 PM
 
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Needless to say, you are all wrong.
You know - I've been having that exact same thought. Everyone's wrong. Perfect!
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Old 02-05-2010, 08:31 PM
 
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You know - I've been having that exact same thought. Everyone's wrong. Perfect!
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Old 02-05-2010, 09:12 PM
 
Location: Seattle, Wa
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Maybe we should just ALL sit under your teaching then?
No...under those who taught me. Christ, the apostles and disciples and the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
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Old 02-05-2010, 09:13 PM
 
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just curious because I don't know I've never really studied anything about Fulfilled Eschatology, but wasn't Christ not supposed to come again until EVERYONE alive had a chance to respond to the gospel?
Colosians 1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and [be] not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, [and] which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

The nations have heard the gospel. Fulfilled.
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