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Old 02-08-2010, 10:18 AM
 
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I agree with John 3:16 and I am grateful to the OP for posting such an encouraging scripture that means exactly what is says "For God so loved...." Simple, yet profound.
sun Queen, maybe I read you wrong but, why is it "encouraging" when he basically said that God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son so that He could give everyone a crack at salvation? as long as they exercise their wills properly? How is that encouraging? If that were the case that would be so discouraging that mankind would be right back to square one where the death of Christ does absolutely nothing.
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Old 02-08-2010, 10:44 AM
 
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God's hands of love and grace are knocking on the hearts of men, but we are responsible for opening the door.

Behold, I [Jesus] stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. - Revelation 3:20
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Old 02-08-2010, 11:12 AM
 
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God's hands of love and grace are knocking on the hearts of men, but we are responsible for opening the door.

Behold, I [Jesus] stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. - Revelation 3:20
And God is responsible for opening our eyes

This is what is so amazing, that you do not know where he is from, yet he opened my eyes. John 19 verse 30

He also opens doors that no man can shut

And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;

18"The Spirit of the Lord is on me,
because he has anointed me
to preach good news to the poor.
He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners
and recovery of sight for the blind,
to release the oppressed,
19to proclaim the year of the Lord's favor."

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Old 02-08-2010, 12:48 PM
 
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God's hands of love and grace are knocking on the hearts of men, but we are responsible for opening the door.

Behold, I [Jesus] stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. - Revelation 3:20
scgraham, Revelation 3:20 is not spoken to all people of all times.

Jesus is speaking to the messenger of the church of Laodicea. (Rev.3:14)
Jesus is not standing at the door of each person's heart of the church.
Jesus is standing at the door of their church.
He is knocking on the door of that church.

In the Greek it is "I shall be into-coming toward him"
If anyone is hearing His voice and opening the door, Christ will come into (that church) and go toward (that person) and sup with him.

We are not responsible for opening the door. First of all one from the Laodicean church must hear His voice and how can they hear His voice if God first does not open their ears and hearts and minds to perceive? So really God is responsible as to if a person of that church will open that door.
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Old 02-08-2010, 01:21 PM
 
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We must profess our belief, which involves an action done on the part on man's conscious.
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Old 02-08-2010, 01:24 PM
 
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In the Greek it is "I shall be into-coming toward him"

If anyone is hearing His voice and opening the door,

Christ will come into (that church) and go toward (that person) and sup with him.
You said exactly what the text says, except your interpretation is wrong.
Anyone - subject - opening the door - subject action
I - Christ - shall be coming to him - Christ goes to him, because, subject opens the door.

You are obviously having trouble with this.
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Old 02-08-2010, 01:41 PM
 
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God's love is calling all men. Jesus' grace is being offered today, but there is no guarantee of tomorrow.

And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: - Acts 17:30

I plead with the sinner to turn to Jesus while it is yet day. God's mercy and love are quickly running out. The end-time signs are all around. If you die in your sins, even just one sin, you will live in torment for eternity. God will shut you out of His memory foreever, as you disregarded the blood of the covenant, which came at a great price to make you whole. Don't let the devil convince you that you can't escape his devices of sin. There is power in the blood of Jesus to break the devil's grip. Listen to Jesus.

All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. - John 6:37

Also, don't listen to those who try to tickle your ears; God warned of them.

2 Timothy 4
1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
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Old 02-08-2010, 02:06 PM
 
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We must profess our belief, which involves an action done on the part on man's conscious.
Can man profess his belief if God hasn't called and enabled him?

Is God calling all men?
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Old 02-08-2010, 05:47 PM
 
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In the Greek it is "I shall be into-coming toward him"

If anyone is hearing His voice and opening the door,

Christ will come into (that church) and go toward (that person) and sup with him.
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You said exactly what the text says, except your interpretation is wrong.
Anyone - subject - opening the door - subject action
I - Christ - shall be coming to him - Christ goes to him, because, subject opens the door.

You are obviously having trouble with this.
No, my interpretation is correct. That verse was not written to all mankind as if Christ is standing at the door of every man's heart pleading to enter into it if they but just open their heart to Christ.

Furthermore it does not say as you so wrongly suggest: "I - Christ - shall be coming to him -" but it says "I shall be coming into (that church) and go toward that person and sup with him."

First of all, Christ is talking to already saved Christians who already have God's spirit. So it is not like Christ is asking them to accept Him into their hearts.

You are obviously having trouble with this.
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Old 02-08-2010, 05:52 PM
 
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All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. - John 6:37
You quoted the very verse against your free-will position scgraham. LOL!

Those that the Father gives to Christ will come to Christ. No ifs ands or buts about it. It all depends upon the Father giving them to Christ.


Joh 6:44 No one can come to Me if ever the Father Who sends Me should not be drawing him. And I shall be raising him in the last day.

The same for for "drawing" is "drag."
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