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Correct. You can remove the "IF" at the beginning of your post.
Ok - but then it wouldn't be a properly formed statement.
I find the idea very interesting if you think about it. It means every die roll, every flip of a coin, the outcome is already set in stone. It means there are no coincidences.
I guess it ties into God's foreknowledge as well - for if God knows the future, then the future is already set in stone, just as the past is.
I'm a hobby gamer, I like playing strategy board games and card games (Tichu, Hearts). Often they involve a lot of decisions and critical thinking to advance your position in the game, and there is always a random element, whether that be a card draw, dice roll, or even another player interaction you hadn't anticipated, that can sometimes completely throw your game off.
But if you look at all this from the perspective of God, its all a done deal. Even big sporting events - the Olympics!
To me it is humbling. In some ways it shows the futility of it all. But I still like my gaming
Ok - but then it wouldn't be a properly formed statement.
I find the idea very interesting if you think about it. It means every die roll, every flip of a coin, the outcome is already set in stone. It means there are no coincidences.
Right - similar to the casting of lots back in their day.
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Originally Posted by legoman
I guess it ties into God's foreknowledge as well - for if God knows the future, then the future is already set in stone, just as the past is.
I'm a hobby gamer, I like playing strategy board games and card games (Tichu, Hearts). Often they involve a lot of decisions and critical thinking to advance your position in the game, and there is always a random element, whether that be a card draw, dice roll, or even another player interaction you hadn't anticipated, that can sometimes completely throw your game off.
But if you look at all this from the perspective of God, its all a done deal. Even big sporting events - the Olympics!
To me it is humbling. In some ways it shows the futility of it all. But I still like my gaming
I suppose you could say that God allows us to entertain ourselves by the means of our own futility.
Playing the lottery and winning the lottery is not even from God...... Were the balls come down and determine the winning numbers is demonic..... I know this from experiance, from the gambling from the years before I came to know Jesus........Were I would pick numbers through the zodiac formulas, and I never won the big won, but I did break even on all my spending, which through these experiance I witnessed how the demons would manipulate the balls to fall that made the winning numbers..... there is two reasons that Christians must stay away from Gambling, one is demonic influence in the how the game is won , and two the spending of the Children of Gods money through the wager, which is rejected in Heaven............. See God may know the future of the life of his Children, but we are NEVER to hold it against him for his unwilling to share that knowledge when we could have needing it most, were should have been obediant to begin with or we might have been going through something that will be managable down the road.
But there could be apparent, measured randomness also.
Randomness is an artifical construct of our artifical mathematics that results from our ignorance about that which we "measure." It ONLY exists as "measured" human ignorance . . . there is no "real" random anything.
Randomness is an artifical construct of our artifical mathematics that results from our ignorance about that which we "measure." It ONLY exists as "measured" human ignorance . . . there is no "real" random anything.
So is every event individually induced by an agent beyond the cosmos?
So is every event individually induced by an agent beyond the cosmos?
No . . . but every event follows the "laws" and "rules" of the Cosmos (physics, chemical, biological, moral, etc.) that have consequences associated with ignoring or violating them. We are to learn them and endure to the end of this mortal existence.
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