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Ironmaw....I don't question that at all...but one must be born again....what does this entail? When one confesses? Or not? Then a man is born again....Christ said...I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live, no?
There is a step process....man believes...he is born again.
Man does not, and I have never said, is responsible for his salvation. God gifts man with salvation for his belief...it is right there, in red.
Man believes only because God has made Jesus "choice" in his heart.
Ironmaw....I don't question that at all...but one must be born again....what does this entail? When one confesses? Or not? Then a man is born again....Christ said...I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live, no?
There is a step process....man believes...he is born again.
Man does not, and I have never said, is responsible for his salvation. God gifts man with salvation for his belief...it is right there, in red.
Yes... But your getting the cart before the horse.
Haven't you noticed that one who is born again and then believes, like Paul, lives?
None of the scriptures argue against the fact that one must first be born again before one will believe. If you believe you will live, and if your are alive you will believe.
None of them.
Quote all day long, it will amount to the same thing. One must first be born of the spirit, in order to even comprehend the things of the spirit.
Yes... But your getting the cart before the horse.
Haven't you noticed that one who is born again and then believes, like Paul, lives?
None of the scriptures argue against the fact that one must first be born again before one will believe. If you believe you will live, and if your are alive you will believe.
None of them.
Quote all day long, it will amount to the same thing. One must first be born of the spirit, in order to even comprehend the things of the spirit.
Ironmaw,
You misunderstand Paul's conversion. He believed because he saw what was revealed to Him of Christ...he understood who He was and what He was talking about.....the process is almost instantaneous...but being born again...is a result of belief. The scriptures tesify this in great detail.
You misunderstand Paul's conversion. He believed because he saw what was revealed to Him of Christ...he understood who He was and what He was talking about.....the process is almost instantaneous...but being born again...is a result of belief. The scriptures tesify this in great detail.
No, the scriptures reveal just the opposite, "in great detail."
I think I have to agree with this. If Jesus wasn't talking about the man's actions (which could be why he used birth to explain that spiritual principle), then the idea that the man could take action to facilitate his salvation would be an incorrect assumption.
Maybe what Jesus could be saying is if flesh births flesh and spirit does the same with spirit than a person without spirit would have a difficult time trying to produce spirit. Therefore they'd have to be "born again" by some other means other than themselves (via Jesus). JMO
:But you know what, I think that the question (if answered) that could help me undstand what Jesus was saying is whether or not spirit is required to except Jesus?
I apologize if I'm off topic. I don't really understand (full or hyper) preterism mostly because I learned Christianity thru the opposing view so it somewhat makes my head spend to think about the bible along those lines. Therefore I can't, in good conscience, add any ideas to the op.
Hi Jchance, welcome to the forum.
I believe that the spirit in required to accept Jesus, and i believe that an be proven scripturally.
there are many who are not even yet born again of the spirit who profess to believe, but they only provide lip service.
In order to truly believe, one must first be born of the spirit.
1 Corinthians 2:6-16
We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. No, we speak of God’s secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. However, as it is written:
“No eye has seen,
no ear has heard,
no mind has conceived
what God has prepared for those who love him”
but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit.
The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man’s spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understandwhat God has freely given us. This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words. The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man’s judgment:
“For who has known the mind of the Lord
that he may instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ.
Last edited by Ironmaw1776; 11-06-2010 at 11:55 AM..
When ever the Lord opens the eyes of man there is only going to be one outcome.....he's going to believe.
The scriptures are clear we are blind and in darkness
For God, who said, "Let light shine out of darkness," made his light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ. 2 Cor 4:6
Everyone has an opinion.
Personally, I think it's a most excellent example of a true exegesis!
In fact, it's the only conclusion that gives all the glory to God.
Come to think of it, it would be better to start right at the beginning of the exposition.
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