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Old 03-05-2010, 12:26 PM
 
Location: Seattle, Washington
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Paul tells us. We have victory over death in Jesus. Those without, don't have that victory. Because I have my incorruptible body now, I will not feel the sting of death. This was the whole purpose of the resurrection and Parousia, the gift was given to those in Christ from that point forward.
So though you don't "feel the sting of death" you don't die? But we still call that dying.. those that are left living.. right?

So are you mixing up spiritual death and physical death, or what? Perhaps you can list the verses that speak of spiritual life and spiritual death as opposed to physical life and physical death...

Eternal has no beginning but you were born so your physical life begins and ends.. therefore, logically and by definition, it cannot be called eternal no matter what.

So if you are talking about spiritual death then the death does not sting but it still is death... the second one.. right?

So then if you have a spiritual birth (born again) and a spiritual death (second death) then again you have a beginning and end so it cannot rightly be called eternal...

Even if you have no spiritual death you are still spiritually "born" and thus are not spiritual from the beginning and therefore, logically has a beginning and no end (if you can truly predict what your spirit does after physical death and of course there can be no proof so that is just speculation) and cannot be rightly called eternal.

God has no beginning (that we will ever know of) and no end (that we will ever know of) so God can logically and by definition be called eternal.
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Old 03-05-2010, 12:49 PM
 
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The last trump already happened Eusebius...remember, I am a Full Preterist.
That's like saying: The earth is flat. Remember, I'm a flat earthist. as if it proves anything.
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Old 03-05-2010, 01:04 PM
 
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That's like saying: The earth is flat. Remember, I'm a flat earthist. as if it proves anything.
Actually it isn't, but you can believe what you want to believe.

mello - about to come.
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Old 03-05-2010, 01:06 PM
 
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So though you don't "feel the sting of death" you don't die? But we still call that dying.. those that are left living.. right?

So are you mixing up spiritual death and physical death, or what? Perhaps you can list the verses that speak of spiritual life and spiritual death as opposed to physical life and physical death...

Eternal has no beginning but you were born so your physical life begins and ends.. therefore, logically and by definition, it cannot be called eternal no matter what.

So if you are talking about spiritual death then the death does not sting but it still is death... the second one.. right?

So then if you have a spiritual birth (born again) and a spiritual death (second death) then again you have a beginning and end so it cannot rightly be called eternal...

Even if you have no spiritual death you are still spiritually "born" and thus are not spiritual from the beginning and therefore, logically has a beginning and no end (if you can truly predict what your spirit does after physical death and of course there can be no proof so that is just speculation) and cannot be rightly called eternal.

God has no beginning (that we will ever know of) and no end (that we will ever know of) so God can logically and by definition be called eternal.
I am not mixing anything up. It is you who are Kat. I have two bodies, corrupt and incorrupt, and I have a spirit. It is my incorruptible that will not die, so therefore I don't feel it. No speculation...I go by what Paul told us....in Christ, no sting. Simple.
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Old 03-05-2010, 01:15 PM
 
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Actually it isn't, but you can believe what you want to believe.

mello - about to come.
No, I can only believe "what saith the Scriptures."

I don't live down the rabbit hole.
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Old 03-05-2010, 03:59 PM
 
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No, I can only believe "what saith the Scriptures."

I don't live down the rabbit hole.
Then I guess you don't believe Paul.
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Old 03-05-2010, 05:31 PM
 
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Then I guess you don't believe Paul.
Paul who? Ron Paul?
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Old 03-05-2010, 06:05 PM
 
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Paul who? Ron Paul?
Translated I think he meant that you don't believe what he believes the apostle Paul taught....

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Old 03-05-2010, 06:12 PM
 
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Translated I think he meant that you don't believe what he believes the apostle Paul taught....

I know. I was just playing hard to get.

Of course I believe Paul. that is why I said what I said earlier since it was Paul who said we'd be changed at the last trump. Last I heard no dead in Christ arose from their graves. Peter, Paul, all the disciples are still in their graves as are Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, David all of which are supposed to rise from the dead and be in the kingdom. Oops, sciotamicks left that liiiiiiiiiiitle point out of his preterism.
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Old 03-05-2010, 07:55 PM
 
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LOL...about to come never changed, but your view will one day.
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