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Originally Posted by legoman
Why are you trying to divert the debate? What you have said has nothing to do with the OP.
Lets say you are right. Many will go into eternal torment. Yippee. Then we are still left with the OP. Let me repeat:
1. Is God unable to save them?
OR
2. Is God unwilling to save them?
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How does this apply?
John 3:
17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
If I may expound on this point:
Here's the great commission;
Matthew 28:
18And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations,......
So what had happened here?
Acts 16:
6Now when they had gone throughout Phrygia and the region of Galatia, and were forbidden of the Holy Ghost to preach the word in Asia,
7After they were come to Mysia, they assayed to go into Bithynia: but the Spirit suffered them not.
8And they passing by Mysia came down to Troas.
9And a vision appeared to Paul in the night; There stood a man of Macedonia, and prayed him, saying, Come over into Macedonia, and help us.
10And after he had seen the vision, immediately we endeavoured to go into Macedonia, assuredly gathering that the Lord had called us for to preach the gospel unto them.
Does the whole point rests on this warning from God and God's promise?
Matthew 7:
6Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
7Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
8For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
John 6:
44No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Does this change the parameters by which you are limitting God's will and purpose? Does not God as God knows those that seek Him from those that care not to, but live in sin? Does this show that God as God knows those that seek Him and will get the Gospel to them and enable them to hear and see the truth when presented so that they can believe the Good News? Are there not many that heard the Good News and believe not?
Since God is good and those that want nothing to do with God: then they are going where nothing good dwells: the lake of fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels and where in the end, death and even Hades will be cast into the lake of fire which is the second death. And if death and hades becasted therein, then there is no coming out.
1 Corinthians 15:
22For as in Adam all die, even so
in Christ shall all be made alive.
23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
Revelation 20: And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be
tormented day and night for ever and
ever.
13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Revelation 21:
8But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
UR should not be giving any sinner pause to procrastinate in coming to Jesus to be saved from their sins to live as His as well as resting in Him for eternal life.
But I believe God knows those that are seeking Him and UR will not get in the way of that, but I would not preach that which is not true as I trust Himj to help me be a faithful witness of the Truth.
You look at how we deal with multiple transgressors: jail wasn't enough for rehabilitation? If evil knows they are getting out: they will be just looking to do their next evil. Look at Satan. In the pit for 1000 years and after release: he is still at it because why? The same reason why there are those that reject Christ: they love the darkness rather than come to the light: they do not want to be reproved of their evil deeds.
So the parameters you are setting is ignoring God as knowing those that seek Him from those that do not.
This is why His burden is easy and His yoke is light because He is the One that is working and ministering as He leads those that follow Him to serve Him out of love for others that they may know the Good News in Christ.
So God is able to save as God is willing to save those that seek Him as He knows who is from those that care not a whit but to live in darkness.
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