Bear witness to the Eternal Torment Paradigm (hell, doctrine, beliefs)

[legoman]

This is the conundrum that the believer in eternal torment fall into:

Either:

1. God really wants to save all people, but is unable.
OR
2. God doesn't really want to save all people and intended for people to be tormented forever.


One makes God a weaking and the other makes God a monster. Both are unscriptural. All beliefs in eternal torment can be condensed into one of these two options.

Eternal torment is a doctrine straight from Satan. What better way to discredit God.

[Fundamentalist]

Originally Posted by legoman

This is the conundrum that the believer in eternal torment fall into:

Either:

1. God really wants to save all people, but is unable.
OR
2. God doesn't really want to save all people and intended for people to be tormented forever.


One makes God a weaking and the other makes God a monster. Both are unscriptural. All beliefs in eternal torment can be condensed into one of these two options.

Eternal torment is a doctrine straight from Satan. What better way to discredit God.

The conundrum is yours in the making and really not a conundrum at all.

[legoman]

If you are struggling with this idea of hell, and whether God would purpose or allow billions to be tormented forever, this article is worth read.

But if you are happy that billions will be tormented forever, there is no reason for you to read the article.

The Bottom Line

From the article:
...the BOTTOM LINE ISSUE. And it is simply this: If God does not save everyone, that is either because--


(1) He cannot
or--
(2) He will not.


Pure and simple, either one of these bottom line doctrinal concepts is rooted in arrogant, TOXIC religiosity. If it is true that God cannot help us unless we assist Him, then of course we will come to feel that Omnipotence needs our help, not vice versa! Or if He does not want to save all people, but only some of us, then some folks will be prone to boast (at least inwardly) that He loves them and hates others.

[legoman]

Originally Posted by Fundamentalist

The conundrum is yours in the making and really not a conundrum at all.

Please explain Fundy. Which is it? Is God unable or unwilling? Or is there some third option here?

[twin.spin]

Galations 5:19-21
"The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God. "


Never means never..............

[legoman]

This paradigm of eternal torment is rooted heavily in self-pride.

It leads to believing either:

1. "I was wise and smart and blessed enough to make the right choice so that I would be saved, while some other people did not make the right choice because they were foolish"

OR

2. "God picked me to be saved and not some other people"

Both provide a massive boost to the ego.

Of course some people simply believe eternal torment because they are too scared they will end up there if they question the belief. It is for these people who should consider the OP. Is God unable to save all or unwilling to save all?

[legoman]

Originally Posted by twin.spin

Galations 5:19-21
"The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God. "

Never means never..............but not to those who reject sound doctrine.

Gal 5:19-21 is not talking about hell or heaven. It is talking about reigning with God in His Kingdom. I agree not everyone will inherit this reign.


But twin.spin, which do you believe it is:

1. Is God unable to save all?
OR
2. unwilling to save all?

[sciotamicks]

That UR interpretation of the ancient language is in error.

God wants all people to be saved, just as He wants people to not sin, just as He wanted to gather the Jews under His wing. But mankind rebels against Him.
I have already dealt with this verse, and it has been removed from the UR paradigm as a source for their belief. Too bad for UR.

But, you all can continue on in your errors. Suit yourself.

[legoman]

Originally Posted by sciotamicks

That UR interpretation of the ancient language is in error.

God wants all people to be saved, just as He wants people to not sin, just as He wanted to gather the Jews under His wing. But mankind rebels against Him.
I have already dealt with this verse, and it has been removed from the UR paradigm as a source for their belief. Too bad for UR.

But, you all can continue on in your errors. Suit yourself.

So it sounds like you think God is unable to save all people because man rebelled. Man's rebellion stumped God?

If not please clarify.

[sciotamicks]

Originally Posted by legoman

So it sounds like you think God is unable to save all people because man rebelled. Man's rebellion stumped God?

If not please clarify.

You tell me.....do you sin? Did the Jews gather under His wing?
Like I said...thelo has NOTHING to do with the WILL OF GOD.