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2 Thessalonians 2:12
For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemnedwho have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.
Well said, again. The UR's own logic condemns them again.
2 Thessalonians 2
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Well said, again. The UR's own logic condemns them again.
2 Thessalonians 2
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Oh come on! The one who wrote 2 Thessalonians 2:8-12 also told us God will save all mankind because Christ ransomed all (1 Tim.2:4-6) and told us God is every man's Saviour, especially the believer's Saviour (1Tim.4:10,11).
You can't use one passage to contradict another. Both 2nd Thessalonians and 1 Timothy passages will come true. It is just that the Timothy passages will come true later.
Well stated. The universalists' own logic condemns them.
I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish - Luke 13:3
It doesn't say "perish for eternity." Nor does "perish" mean they "go to hell."
And the same Jesus who said they would perish also said they will be saved who perish for He told Paul that God will save all mankind. And we know the perished make up a huge proportion of all mankind.
Twin Spin is telling the truth! It does not matter what we think...and it is indeed a matter of accepting what the Word of God says, to include whether "UR" is scriptural, or not.
(PS: it's not)
Well said, again. The UR's own logic condemns them again.
2 Thessalonians 2
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
We were all under a strong delusion until God opened our eyes to believe , we could never come to faith on our own accord this has been proven time and time again by the scriptures.
He sought us , He found us , He opened oue eyes , He loved us first .
There was a time in my life when i would not reveive the love of the truth that i may be saved , guess what happened ?
We were all under a strong delusion until God opened our eyes to believe , we could never come to faith on our own accord this has been proven time and time again by the scriptures.
He sought us , He found us , He opened oue eyes , He loved us first .
There was a time in my life when i would not reveive the love of the truth that i may be saved , guess what happened ?
Nobody (I speak for myself) would disagree with this generally speaking. And what happened for you (being that I can't read into your heart) from only what I've had the pleasure of reading, that there isn't nothing to say that isn't so.
"He sought us , He found us , He opened our eyes , He loved us first .'
How very true when admitting who it is that gets the credit for our faith (objective justification in general terms). But the subjective justification is still the deciding factor.
He sought me (pcamps), He found me(pcamps), He opened my (pcamps) eyes , He loved (pcamps) first .'
2 Thessalonians 2:12
"so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.'
Luke 13:5
I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish."
Revelation 2:22 So I will cast her on a bed of suffering, and I will make those who commit adultery with her suffer intensely, unless they repent of her ways.
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Unlike salvation, eternal damnation is conditional ....("But unless you repent", "unless they repent of her ways")...all will be condemned who have not believed the truth
True repentance, my dear friend pcamps.... repentance.
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Yep I understand what you are saying.
