Who doesn't want all to be saved? (doctrine, church, after life)

[sciotamicks]

Legoman...there you go with Philosophy again. Stick to the text and remove your humanistic preconceived ideas from your analysis. What does the text say?

Paul is praying....none other.

[I LOVE NORTH CAROLINA]

Originally Posted by CantWait2Leave

Yep, I do, but unfortunately people are blinded and do not want the truth. God doesn't force anything on us. He doesn't want us to sin, yet lets us. He doesn't want us to go to hell, yet lets us. It just a prayer.

I agree.

[legoman]

Originally Posted by sciotamicks

Legoman...there you go with Philosophy again. Stick to the text and remove your humanistic preconceived ideas from your analysis. What does the text say?

Paul is praying....none other.

If its not God's will to save all men, then its His will to not save all men. Simple logic and reasoning, unless you think God doesn't even care one way or the other, and He just lets it pan out "whatever happens happens".

This is what the text says:

1 Tim 4:1 I urge, then, first of all, that requests, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for everyone— 2for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness. 3This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4who wants [wills] all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6who gave himself as a ransom for all men—the testimony given in its proper time.

I don't see how its just a prayer, or why that matters even.

[pcamps]

Originally Posted by legoman

If its not God's will to save all men, then its His will to not save all men. Simple logic and reasoning, unless you think God doesn't even care one way or the other, and He just lets it pan out "whatever happens happens".

This is what the text says:

1 Tim 4:1 I urge, then, first of all, that requests, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for everyone— 2for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness. 3This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4who wants [wills] all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6who gave himself as a ransom for all men—the testimony given in its proper time.

I don't see how its just a prayer, or why that matters even.

Lego when we pray we are called to pray His will (Thy will be done) , it's his will that all are saved. I gave up praying negative prayers years ago , because unless we are praying His will , we may as well not pray .
I also pray to God who resides in me and not to a god floating on clouds.

[legoman]

Originally Posted by pcamps

Lego when we pray we are called to pray His will (Thy will be done) , it's his will that all are saved. I gave up praying negative prayers years ago , because unless we are praying His will , we may as well not pray .
I also pray to God who resides in me and not to a god floating on clouds.

So should we pray that "God save all men" or that "God not save all men"?

Seriously, does anyone pray that God not save all men?!?

[pcamps]

Originally Posted by legoman

So should we pray that "God save all men" or that "God not save all men"?

Seriously, does anyone pray that God not save all men?!?

I really believe there are those who do not want everyone to be saved , there are a few on here that certainly seem to anyway.I am not saying if you believe in ET that you do , but there are a good handful on here that come across at the very least resentful of the thought that all will be saved.

[katjonjj]

Originally Posted by pcamps

I really believe there are those who do not want everyone to be saved , there are a few on here that certainly seem to anyway.I am not saying if you believe in ET that you do , but there are a good handful on here that come across at the very least resentful of the thought that all will be saved.

Yes I too see it. As if having SOME people in heaven makes heaven less heaven..

[trettep]

Originally Posted by sciotamicks

1 Timothy 2:4 - The Foundation of UR

It is a prayer, from Paul. Nothing philosophical, nothing prophetic. It isn't a theological premise of the Divine Will of God. It isn't a debate for Christians to engage in over our Maker carrying out His plan. It has nothing to do with any of this. It has nothing to do with whether one believes God can get whatever He wills or wants.

It is just a prayer, from Paul.

This is good, and pleases God our Savior, who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. - Just a prayer.

Actually it is who WILL have all to be saved.

God has not only the desire to SAVE but the POWER to make it happen. In fact, there are many scriptures that show that what God desires, HAPPENS.

[trettep]

Originally Posted by CantWait2Leave

I don't question why God does things. I read the Bible and it's CRYSTAL clear that UR is dead wrong.

Is it? Let's take it up. Didn't Jesus come for the very purpose to destroy the works of the Devil which is sin? - YES or NO?

[CantWait2Leave]

Originally Posted by trettep

Is it? Let's take it up. Didn't Jesus come for the very purpose to destroy the works of the Devil which is sin? - YES or NO?

I am not going to go around and around in circles. I have shown in many posts the truth and the universalists twist them. I'm not wasting anymore of my time with people who are not open to the truth.