Is Revelation just a rip-off of the Book of Enoch? (Gospels, church)

[Trimac20]

The Book of Enoch (http://www.watchmanbiblestudy.com/BibleStudies/BibleStudy_BookofEnoch.htm - broken link)

Check out the latter comparisons. Seems John took alot of what was written in the Book of Enoch, the same book which says stars are angels, evil giants once roamed the earth etc. Even much of the NT seems to be taken from Enoch, especially Jesus' prediction about the moon turning to blood and the stars falling to Earth. Would only make sense if they believed the stars were not really stars.

How do you respond to this? Coincidence? John merely borrowing some bits from Enoch?

[hljc]

The book of Enoch is a book that Holy Spirit of Jesus does not recognise in bringing revelation to Christians it may or may not have ideas that were in the Word of God ...... See the book of Enoch is not a book written by the Enoch in the bible, either that or Noah must have brought the first copy through the flood........ The book of Revelation is blessed and all who read it is to be blessed by Heaven, and all who preach it and have faith in the book will be blessed by Heaven, so it can not be a rip off for thoughs who read it... In Revelations 22:18.. Jesus said ``For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book``Surely I come Quickly``

[InsaneInDaMembrane]

Originally Posted by Trimac20

The Book of Enoch (http://www.watchmanbiblestudy.com/BibleStudies/BibleStudy_BookofEnoch.htm - broken link)

Check out the latter comparisons. Seems John took alot of what was written in the Book of Enoch, the same book which says stars are angels, evil giants once roamed the earth etc. Even much of the NT seems to be taken from Enoch, especially Jesus' prediction about the moon turning to blood and the stars falling to Earth. Would only make sense if they believed the stars were not really stars.

How do you respond to this? Coincidence? John merely borrowing some bits from Enoch?

The book of Revelation is the last of a series of books written during a 300-year period the Jews were under the thumb of foreign powers. All of the books (including the 4 Gospels) were written as a source of explanation and encouragement to the Jews and threats to their enemies (the Greeks and Romans). So it is safe to say the book copies the style of older apocalyptic books like Daniel and Enoch and borrows heavily from their style and content.

[little elmer]

If we read Revelation as it is intended to be (the revelation of Jesus Christ in the earth), we see that every chapter builds toward the manifestation of the sons of God, and not some horror story.

[InsaneInDaMembrane]

Originally Posted by little elmer

If we read Revelation as it is intended to be (the revelation of Jesus Christ in the earth), we see that every chapter builds toward the manifestation of the sons of God, and not some horror story.

You can't overlook the horror story conveyed in there though. In fact, the great majority of the book IS a horror story.

[Richard1965]

Originally Posted by hljc

The book of Enoch is a book that Holy Spirit of Jesus does not recognise in bringing revelation to Christians it may or may not have ideas that were in the Word of God ...... See the book of Enoch is not a book written by the Enoch in the bible, either that or Noah must have brought the first copy through the flood........ The book of Revelation is blessed and all who read it is to be blessed by Heaven, and all who preach it and have faith in the book will be blessed by Heaven, so it can not be a rip off for thoughs who read it... In Revelations 22:18.. Jesus said ``For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book``Surely I come Quickly``

The Book of Enoch does not contradict the Bible...in fact there are many quotations in the NT quoting from the Book of Enoch...the Book of Enoch was regarded by the Early Church...but was deleted from the cannon due to some clergy finding the relation of the fallen angels as offensive...So, how can you make that statement?...

[Richard1965]

Originally Posted by InsaneInDaMembrane

The book of Revelation is the last of a series of books written during a 300-year period the Jews were under the thumb of foreign powers. All of the books (including the 4 Gospels) were written as a source of explanation and encouragement to the Jews and threats to their enemies (the Greeks and Romans). So it is safe to say the book copies the style of older apocalyptic books like Daniel and Enoch and borrows heavily from their style and content.

There were over 300 Gospels that Iraeneus was requested to choose from for cannonization of the NT...it took him over a year to do this and he finally settled on the four we see today...

[InsaneInDaMembrane]

Originally Posted by Richard1965

There were over 300 Gospels that Iraeneus was requested to choose from for cannonization of the NT...it took him over a year to do this and he finally settled on the four we see today...

I have no problems with this. I mentioned the 4 Gospels (actually I should have only mention only 3) because of their own apocalyptic mentions.

[little elmer]

Originally Posted by InsaneInDaMembrane

You can't overlook the horror story conveyed in there though. In fact, the great majority of the book IS a horror story.

What we see as natural occurrences are the Lord's dealings with those who will become the overcoming company.

We see severe purgings, deep prunings, extreme chastisements, uncompromising judgments and the blast of refining fires. God will make war against the carnal mind, the religious mind, our pride, selfishness, self-will, self-sufficiency and self-righteousness; God will make war against the flesh, the world and the devil in us, until He has melted all arrogance into humility, and all that is self has died in the bloody sweat and all-conquering cross of Christ which will never give up its redeeming power until all that stands between us and the purpose of God in our sonship has no more a name among the sons of God.

[katjonjj]

Originally Posted by Trimac20

The Book of Enoch (http://www.watchmanbiblestudy.com/BibleStudies/BibleStudy_BookofEnoch.htm - broken link)

Check out the latter comparisons. Seems John took alot of what was written in the Book of Enoch, the same book which says stars are angels, evil giants once roamed the earth etc. Even much of the NT seems to be taken from Enoch, especially Jesus' prediction about the moon turning to blood and the stars falling to Earth. Would only make sense if they believed the stars were not really stars.

How do you respond to this? Coincidence? John merely borrowing some bits from Enoch?

You would have to establish that Enoch was written and distributed publicly before John wrote Revelation.... Since little is know about the book of Enoch (other than Enoch did not write it) I would say that is impossible.... IMO