Christian UR People - How long were you a Christian when you stopped believing in eternal torture? (preaching, belief)

[Cyber Munchkin]

Originally Posted by Richard1965

Universalism is being set up in these days and will be the world religion of the Anti-Christ...

Yup, and it is pretty obvious for those who do walk in the Spirit and hear what the Spirit is saying in these days !!

People get ready the train is coming..... love that tune !!!

[Richard1965]

Originally Posted by meerkat2

Not sure how to answer as I was brought up indoctrinated with christianity, and of course a belief in hell, I have always believed in God, but was confused with the contradictions and hypocricy and eliteism that I perceived in christianity, ----- and I left 'christianity' when I was either 14 or 15 ...... A couple of years ago (in my 40's) I was interested in prophecy and the end of the world stuff, and it led me to a conviction of seeking truth, which led me to understand the contradictions I saw in my childhood. I have never been able to equate God creating finite humans subject to our carnal nature with no choice to being here......... and then if you do not believe in him and his Son Jesus, you will be infinitely tortured. However I look at it, it is not just.

Maybe not just, in your view...but, this is God's universe not yours...Paul and the metyphor of the potter....

[Richard1965]

Originally Posted by Eusebius

I wouldn't call it a waste of time for me. It was a learning experience; a very painful one at that.

The problem with me was that I believed in ET. I didn't have any proper translations or Greek texts at the time to really know otherwise.

A glimmer of light hit me when I was in a Christian book store looking at bibles. In the back of one Bible I was looking at their concordance and for "eternity" and "everlasting" it said that this would should not be thought of as meaning unendingness. It said something like that. I wish I could find that bible! I think it was a Catholic bible.

Catholics...well there you go...pergatory and UR...the go together like peas and carrots....

[meerkat2]

Originally Posted by Richard1965

Where does it say that all will understand eventually?...Christ told things in parables and only those with ears that were meant to understand understood...

Quite the contradiction

God desires all to come to the knowledge of the truth
1Ti 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
1Ti 2:6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.


But he talks in parables to the multitudes and only reveals the truth to some

[Richard1965]

Originally Posted by baront70

First Satan wants us to be the lowest creature which is animals but because of the work Christ did on the Cross we are above all creatures including the angels
Evolution is a scheme to explain away creation by the Lord Jesus Christ
The Darwin theorist have found that the Neanderthal man was a deformed pig.

The biggest reason ET does not exist is the blood types: we have :
A,B,O, A-B if they could ever come up with another blood type I would look more closely at their findings.
Noah was A0 his wife was OB and all blood types come from this configuration. Also when Noah built Arch there was no weather or seasons, they didn't know about rain. There wasn't any bacteria and so people lived for hundreds of years. The earth turned on a perfect axis not tilted as it is today. God flooded the earth it changed all that, this is why Noah got drunk off wine (Fermented ) after the flood, before his grape juice was just grape juice.

Hey, an SDA....what dya know...Christ turned water into wine...

[Richard1965]

Originally Posted by baront70

See the good news is you were a Christian and still are. You can worship Satan himself and go out sin unto death and still you are a Christian. The Head can not say to the foot I don't need you. You can turn away from God but God can not, even if he wanted to, turn away from you. Why because of his perfection not because of anything you do or don't do. On the other hand if you grew up as a Muslim or Jew and believe Christ was a prophet and not the Messiah then you are condemned and will be burned forever in the lake of fire. Jesus could die for the entire world’s sins but one the unpardonable sin NOT BELIEVING IN JESUS CHRIST. There has to be an arbitrator between perfect infallible God and sinful man-kind. this is where the Jews and Muslims make their biggest mistake in their life. They think they can go straight to perfect God in their human stinking sinful flesh it would be easier to go have a talk with Obama then to go to perfect God, good luck on that one though.

Jews and Muslims use the brain God gave you your eternal life depends on it!!!
You have in you book Jesus was a prophet he never stated he was a prophet he said I am the Messiah no own comes to the Father except through me, He was telling the truth.
Now analyzing the facts question why do you have a liar in your Book? I will tell you why Satan could not get rid of Jesus Christ too too many people seen him and his resurrection.
Why is it called the tree of knowledge of GOOD and Evil instead of Evil and Good. Gee everyone knows that evil is worse then good, or is it? In the 10 commandments why the first #1 of Ten Commandments states is do not worship any other God yet murder is 6th. Does this make any sense not to us but to God makes perfect sense. That is why he states my ways are higher from the earth to the heavens. If you talk to most ask them Why God destroyed world with Flood? They will tell you because of wicked and evil people on the earth, yet we do wicked and evil better more precise then they could have imagined. They couldn't even make a ice cube!!!! They had no conveniences back then. Our Ministers have let us down just like our politicians neither can or knows the truth this is why there are 50,000 plus religions, which again analyzing the facts, why would perfect God need more then one religion? To the Jews why did Hitler kill 6.5 million Jews (God's chosen people the ones he protected) and then why did God allow it? Answer these questions with all information and you will see that Satan is in charge of religion he is here to fool the majority of the world in to giving up their eternal life with the one and only true God.

You have no clue what the unpardonable sin is...

[Richard1965]

Originally Posted by little elmer

So is Revelation, but that doesn't stop everyone from going crazy...

Oh, well...

[Richard1965]

Originally Posted by Latte'Chic

Yup, and it is pretty obvious for those who do walk in the Spirit and hear what the Spirit is saying in these days !!

People get ready the train is coming..... love that tune !!!

TY.....good to hear from ya...

[Richard1965]

Originally Posted by meerkat2

Quite the contradiction

God desires all to come to the knowledge of the truth
1Ti 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
1Ti 2:6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.


But he talks in parables to the multitudes and only reveals the truth to some

Those verses have nothing to do with why Christ spoke in parables...you just want to shove UR down everyones throats...i want nothing to do with that Anti-Christ Religion...

[meerkat2]

Originally Posted by Richard1965

Those verses have nothing to do with why Christ spoke in parables...you just want to shove UR down everyones throats...i want nothing to do with that Anti-Christ Religion...

Richard I personally believe in UR, based on my perceptions of scriptures -- like you personally believe in ET and calvinism, based on your perceptions of scriptures -- correct?

All of the different opposing doctrines are all based on the scriptures and what I believe is that all the doctrines are looking at the different parts that make up Gods plan --- we as humans only see parts of it............

One of the traditional christianity's versions of salvation that it is intent on "shoving down peoples throats" is the belief that God who is all powerful and all mighty had his creation hijacked by Satan and he only plans to get back some of it by them believing in his Son - for those he will wash away their sins by grace and no need for them to do his commandments as long as they believe, and the rest of the creation he will torment eternally.

Depending on what part of the plan you focus on determines whether you believe in OSAS, calvinism, arminianism, ET, annihilation, UR, preterism, futurism, historicism,