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God places the responsiblity on man to accept or reject the offer of salvation. Eternal salvation is contengent upon faith in Christ Jesus.
Acts 16:31 'Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved.'
John 3:16 'For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life.'
John 3:36 'He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but He who does not obey (the command to believe) the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides (remains) on him.'
1 Peter 4:17 ' For it is time for judgment to begin with the household of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey (believe) the Gospel of God.'
Again and again we go over this... it is not logical to say humans are born evil yet are able to choose what is right... if they could recognize their need for a savior there would be no need to witness to them, right? Do you also expect a drug addict to make good decisions when he is high?
Basically what you are saying is that humans don't have the ability to save themselves (they need a savior) but they must choose (to accept the savior) to be saved... does that really make sense to you?
If men are in darkness they can't see... how can you choose something you can't see? It must be illuminated FOR you by the light which is God.
Basically what you are saying is that humans don't have the ability to save themselves (they need a savior) but they must choose (to accept the savior) to be saved... does that really make sense to you?
Makes sense to me and millions of other Christians
James 1:21 "Therefore, get rid of all moral filth and the evil that is so prevalent and humbly accept the word planted in you, which can save you."
Again and again we go over this... it is not logical to say humans are born evil yet are able to choose what is right... if they could recognize their need for a savior there would be no need to witness to them, right? Do you also expect a drug addict to make good decisions when he is high?
Basically what you are saying is that humans don't have the ability to save themselves (they need a savior) but they must choose (to accept the savior) to be saved... does that really make sense to you?
If men are in darkness they can't see... how can you choose something you can't see? It must be illuminated FOR you by the light which is God.
1 Corinthians 1:18 For the word of the Cross is to those who are perishing foolishness, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God, 19) For it is written, ''I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, And the cleverness of the clever I will set aside.'' 20) Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21) For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.
2 Corinthians 4:3 And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, 4) in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving, that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life.
Acts 16:31 Believe in the Lord Jesus you and shall be saved.
John 3:36 'He who believes in the Son has eternal life; But he who does not obey (the command to obey the Gospel concerning Christ;1 Peter 4:17) the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides (remains) on him.''
Last edited by Michael Way; 03-26-2010 at 12:01 PM..
God places the responsiblity on man to accept or reject the offer of salvation. Eternal salvation is contengent upon faith in Christ Jesus.
Acts 16:31 'Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved.'
John 3:16 'For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life.'
John 3:36 'He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but He who does not obey (the command to believe) the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides (remains) on him.'
1 Peter 4:17 ' For it is time for judgment to begin with the household of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey (believe) the Gospel of God.'
Makes sense to me and millions of other Christians
James 1:21 "Therefore, get rid of all moral filth and the evil that is so prevalent and humbly accept the word planted in you, which can save you."
It doesn't make sense... people who are blind to the truth cannot ever see it on their own...they are blind! You cannot then say that they must accept something they cannot see. Or are you saying that they are shown (by God in whatever form he comes to them, right?) the light.... So it is not the person accepting that makes the decision it is GOD who SHOWS them the light. If God shows them the light so they CAN ACCEPT the truth then God has CHOSEN them for sight. If GOD CHOSE them before they accepted then we know:
Romans 8:30 And having chosen them, he called them to come to him. And having called them, he gave them right standing with himself. And having given them right standing, he gave them his glory.
So the only question is... how many never see the light? Well we know that God is light so the only logical thing to assume is that when they are in the presence of the light (some call this judgment, right?) then of course they are shown the light... now the question is: Can they choose then (after death, right?) to accept the truth or are they forever doomed because God didn't CHOOSE to show them the light during life?
Paul says that God chooses them, calls them, justifies them, and glorifies them.... God does it all. Do you see any acceptance by them here? But even if there were then in order to accept you must be offered it and if you are offered it then you have been chosen by God.... and his will be done on earth as it is in heaven!!
All are saved, maybe few are chosen...but in front of God when confronted with the light that chases away their darkness do you really think they will retain their darkness in order to satisfy God's need to torture them?
Wouldn't it be more concerning that eternal life or the gift of God has a limit?
Funny that point is a rather mute topic for them.
I don't think it is a mute topic for URs. In fact I think it is frequently talked about by URs.
Here is the way I understand it. Both kolasis eonian and life eonian come to an end, then eternity continues with everyone saved from everything from which they need to be saved.
THE OUTCOME OF INFINITE GRACE – LOYAL F. HURLEY
“Only as one sees God’s Plan of the Ages do they see the beauty of God’s Program for the redemption of the race.
Heb. 11:3 should read, “Through faith we understand that the ages were planned by the Word of God.” The ages will collectively end. A literal translation of Heb. 9:26 is, ‘But now, once for all, with a view to the end of the ages, has He been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.’
Throughout the eons there is sin and evil, condemnation and death. At the end of the eons all will be justified (Rom. 5:18,19), and all will be reconciled through Christ’s blood (Col. 1:20).
CHRIST TRIUMPHANT – THOMAS ALLIN It is true that aionios may be applied as an epithet to things that are endless, but the idea of endlessness in all such cases comes not from the epithet, but only because it is inherent in the object to which the epithet is applied, as in the case of God.
This is life eternal’ should be ‘the life of the ages,’ i.e. peculiar to those ages in which the scheme of salvation is being worked out. The ‘eternal covenant’ is the ‘covenant of the ages,’ the covenant peculiar to the ages of redemption. The ‘eternal purpose’ is really the purpose of ‘the ages,’ i.e. developed and worked out in ‘the ages.’
We who teach the larger hope believe that not in this brief life only, but through future ages, Christ’s work shall go on till the last straying sheep shall have been found by the Good Shepherd. Then, at the expiry of these ages ‘cometh the end’ when Christ shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, and God shall be All in all (1Cor. 15:28)."
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