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ETers (those that believe in Eternal Torment) have a big FAILURE in their doctrine. In their doctrine SIN gets a Home, Sin gets DOMINION over its subjects, SIN gets its own Kingdom. In their doctrine, God is UNABLE to save those that don't give Him permission. In their doctrine, our Lord and Savior FAIL to eradicate sin. In their doctrine, Death and sin gets to ROB our Father in Heaven of a potential child. In their doctrine, they believe that God (who knows the end from the beginning) brought a child into the world knowing that the childs ultimate fate was to be tormented for the rest of eternity.
Isaiah 33:14,15 Who among us can dwell with everlasting burnings. [u]The righteous.[/U]. God is a consuming fire. (not literally, of course. We would all be ash )
Man is born into the world already under eternal condemnation.
Eternal? That's not what Genesis 3 says.
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God takes no pleasure in ordering anyone into the lake of fire,
Why? If it's good and right and just and holy, why not be happy about it?
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but He cannot and will not compromise His perfect holiness, and so He has no choice.
Here is the perfect holiness of God in action (the nature of God revealed in Christ): Matt 5:45 "that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust".
Luke adds (6:35) But love your enemies, do good, and lend, hoping for nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High. For He is kind to the unthankful and evil.
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And the solution is very simple.
Acts 16:31 'Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved.'
But I have no sympathy for those who attempt to lull others into a false sense of security regarding their eternal future. The judgment that awaits them they have brought down upon themselves. Let it be on their heads.
Not "lulling" anyone. We're attempting to awaken those who are lost in the ET nightmare.
My feelings have no bearing on the reality of the matter. Universalists make an attempt to appeal to the emotion in an effort to refute that which the word of God has made so very clear.
Man is born into the world already under eternal condemnation. In grace, God has provided the solution to the problem. If that solution is rejected, then the justice of God is compelled to carry out the sentence that He has set forth.
Matthew 25:41 ''Then He will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels; 46) ''And these will go away into eternal punishment...''
God takes no pleasure in ordering anyone into the lake of fire, but He cannot and will not compromise His perfect holiness, and so He has no choice.
And the solution is very simple.
Acts 16:31 'Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved.'
But I have no sympathy for those who attempt to lull others into a false sense of security regarding their eternal future. The judgment that awaits them they have brought down upon themselves. Let it be on their heads.
I'm sorry but i totally disagree with you .
The scripture tells us and also our own hearts testify that it it's the goodness of God that causes a man to repent .
If God's goodness can have an effect on us , for you to just to dismiss the effects that the knowledge of loved ones and friends will burn in eternal torment doesn't matter to you, really sums up what fundamental christianity is all about .
So how does it make you feel though, ILNC...?
"taking no pleasure" doesn't really seem to fully explain.
I told you in the post below....I feel an urgency, a need to tell people about Jesus. Knowing some will spend eternity in hell makes me very sad because it doesn't have to happen, but they must ask Jesus to forgive them of theirs sins and become their Savior for this to happen, and ALL are NOT going to do that.
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No, it makes us feel an urgency to tell others about Jesus and how to be saved from eternal hell, we take no pleasure in knowing some will spend eternity separated from God.
The scripture tells us and also our own hearts testify that it it's the goodness of God that causes a man to repent .
If God's goodness can have an effect on us , for you to just to dismiss the effects that the knowledge of loved ones and friends will burn in eternal torment doesn't matter to you, really sums up what fundamental christianity is all about .
You are totally disagreeing with the stated word of God.
I told you in the post below....I feel an urgency, a need to tell people about Jesus. Knowing some will spend eternity in hell makes me very sad because it doesn't have to happen, but they must ask Jesus to forgive them of theirs sins and become their Savior for this to happen, and ALL are NOT going to do that.
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