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Old 03-20-2010, 11:16 AM
 
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OK .... eternal is not "eternal". Then why don't the universalists concern themselves with how long people will spend time in eternal life than to worry about something that, to them, will not happen (ET)?

Romans 6:23
"For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."

Wouldn't be more concerning that eternal life or the gift of God has a limit?

Funny that point is a rather mute topic for them. Or is this another word game of convenience?


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I was going to make this a poll question, but no matter what..it wouldn't be correct.

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Old 03-20-2010, 11:24 AM
 
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OK .... eternal is not "eternal". Then why don't the universalists concern themselves with how long people will spend time in eternal life than to worry about something that, to them, will not happen (ET)?

Romans 6:23
"For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."

Wouldn't be more concerning that eternal life or the gift of God has a limit?

Funny that point is a rather mute topic for them. Or is this another word game of convenience?


p.s.
I was going to make this a poll question, but no matter what..it wouldn't be correct.
Where do you find duration in Jesus' definition of "eternal life?"

John 17:3 Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

It is the ETers that seem to redefine the definition Christ gave for eternal life making it some kind of afterlife forever... which is not the case...
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Old 03-20-2010, 11:44 AM
 
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Where do you find duration in Jesus' definition of "eternal life?"

John 17:3 Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

It is the ETers that seem to redefine the definition Christ gave for eternal life making it some kind of afterlife forever... which is not the case...

No....eternal is not eternal per "definition".
You aren't answering the question....(on purpose)

How long will people be in eternal life? These people wanted to know....

Matthew 19:16
[ The Rich Young Man ] Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, "Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?"

Luke 10:25
[ The Parable of the Good Samaritan ] On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. "Teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?"

Luke 18:18
[ The Rich Ruler ] A certain ruler asked him, "Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?"

_______________________________


John 3:15
that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life.


John 17:2
"Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him."


John 17:3
Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

Acts 13:48
When the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and honored the word of the Lord; and all who were appointed for eternal life believed.


1 John 2:25
And this is what he promised us—even eternal life.

1 John 5:20
We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true—even in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.
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Old 03-20-2010, 12:14 PM
 
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OK .... eternal is not "eternal". Then why don't the universalists concern themselves with how long people will spend time in eternal life than to worry about something that, to them, will not happen (ET)?

Romans 6:23
"For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."

Wouldn't be more concerning that eternal life or the gift of God has a limit?

Funny that point is a rather mute topic for them. Or is this another word game of convenience?


p.s.
I was going to make this a poll question, but no matter what..it wouldn't be correct.

Because the use of aion and aionios from ancient greek is not the only aspect of scripture that defines what kind of lives we have.

You also have athanasia too.
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Old 03-20-2010, 12:14 PM
 
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No....eternal is not eternal per "definition".
You aren't answering the question....(on purpose)

How long will people be in eternal life? These people wanted to know....

Matthew 19:16
[ The Rich Young Man ] Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, "Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?"

Luke 10:25
[ The Parable of the Good Samaritan ] On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. "Teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?"

Luke 18:18
[ The Rich Ruler ] A certain ruler asked him, "Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?"

_______________________________


John 3:15
that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life.


John 17:2
"Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him."


John 17:3
Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

Acts 13:48
When the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and honored the word of the Lord; and all who were appointed for eternal life believed.


1 John 2:25
And this is what he promised us—even eternal life.

1 John 5:20
We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true—even in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

How many times do we have to go over this twin? You know the answer but you are unwilling to understand it. "Aionios Zoe" is the life of the ages, and it does not refer to immortality but to the abundant spiritual life of those who are born again of the spirit in Christ during this life/age ... "Athanasia" and "aphtharsia" are the words used in the new testament to represent the immortal lives we will have after the resurrection. I know you refuse to accept this FACT, but there it is ...


God bless ...
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Old 03-20-2010, 12:46 PM
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How many times do we have to go over this twin? You know the answer but you are unwilling to understand it. "Aionios Zoe" is the life of the ages, and it does not refer to immortality but to the abundant spiritual life of those who are born again of the spirit in Christ during this life/age ... "Athanasia" and "aphtharsia" are the words used in the new testament to represent the immortal lives we will have after the resurrection. I know you refuse to accept this FACT, but there it is ...


God bless ...
That would be an abomination. The life we have in Christ is an ETERNAL LIFE - it always existed and always will. To say that THAT Life is life of the ages is essentially say that the LIFE Is of the CREATED AGES (since the scriptures tell us that all ages are created). The Life one in Christ receives is much greater than any life that PERTAINS to the AGES. The life one receives in Christ is that of God Himself.
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Old 03-20-2010, 12:53 PM
 
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How many times do we have to go over this twin?

God bless ...
Lego,
Until the answer has consistent application..

"his eternal power and divine nature" Romans 1:20,

"an eternal glory" 2 Corinthians 4:17 ,

[ Our Heavenly Dwelling ]"we have a building from God, an eternal house in heaven,"2 Corinthians 5:1

"according to his eternal purpose" Ephesians 3:11

"God our Father, who loved us and by his grace gave us eternal encouragement and good hope," 2 Thessalonians 2:16

"Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God" 1 Timothy 1:17

"you will receive a rich welcome into the eternal kingdom" 2 Peter 1:11

[ The Three Angels ] Then I saw another angel flying in midair, and he had the eternal gospel to proclaim to those who live on the earth—to every nation, tribe, language and people. Revelation 14:6


Being argued that eternal death isn't eternal or eternal suffering, how long then is eternal in these verses?

God bless

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Old 03-20-2010, 01:05 PM
 
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Until the answer is consistent...how long is eternal?
I think it's worth remembering that anything that changes is not eternal - that exempts man from that category - only God is eternal, because only He changes not.

Eternal means more than unending, it means unchangeable, and therefore unending.
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Old 03-20-2010, 01:19 PM
 
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I think it's worth remembering that anything that changes is not eternal - that exempts man from that category - only God is eternal, because only He changes not.

Eternal means more than unending, it means unchangeable, and therefore unending.
So you're saying man doesn't have eternal life?


1 Corinthians 15:52
in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
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Old 03-20-2010, 01:25 PM
 
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So you're saying man doesn't have eternal life?
Taken literally, man's life is temporal. Our life must end in order for us to be absorbed into the Vine (Christ) and ultimately, into the Father. The two natures are not compatible - one must cease to exist.

It's a foreign concept I suppose, but it changes the interpretation of scripture because our minds can't fathom this matrix no longer existing.
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