Love the Universalist, but hate the Lie (Christ, Israel, verse)

[lifesigns64]

Originally Posted by CantWait2Leave

Wait.. are you serious? Universalists ignore dozens of verses that disprove UR.

Matthew 25: 31-46
Hebrews 10:26-31
Luke 16:23-25

Do you want me to continue listing them?

Can't Wait to Leave . . . I have some handy,

And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.


Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.


And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment,


For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.


If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him?


For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.


No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.

Then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment until the day of judgment,


For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment;


For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.

Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, and everyone who lives and believes in me shall never die.

How can these be refuted . . and there are tons more of Jesus teachings . . . . please UR's . . . what about these, any comments . . ????

[Bright Hope for Tomorrow]

Originally Posted by I LOVE NORTH CAROLINA

YES JESUS IS THE SAVIOR FOR ALL, BUT HIS SALVATION ONLY BECOMES EFFECTIVE FOR THOSE WHO TRUST HIM!!!!!!!!!!!

I hope this rule would not apply to a lifeguard who is supposed to save those who are drowning. The sign would read:

NOTICE: THIS LIFEGUARD WILL ONLY BECOME EFFECTIVE IF YOU TRUST HIM. BETTER NOT BE UNCONSCIOUS. BETTER NOT DOUBT HE CAN SAVE YOU. BETTER NOT BE AFRAID.

Many people don't believe Jesus can save without the help of those who need saving!

[lifesigns64]

Originally Posted by Bright Hope for Tomorrow

I hope this rule would not apply to a lifeguard who is supposed to save those who are drowning. The sign would read:

NOTICE: THIS LIFEGUARD WILL ONLY BECOME EFFECTIVE IF YOU TRUST HIM. BETTER NOT BE UNCONSCIOUS. BETTER NOT DOUBT HE CAN SAVE YOU. BETTER NOT BE AFRAID.

Many people don't believe Jesus can save without the help of those who need saving!

Jesus can do whatever he wants . . .this we agree on . . . but he already came and told us His plan . . .not Our plan . . . . His Plan.

[CantWait2Leave]

Originally Posted by Bright Hope for Tomorrow

I hope this rule would not apply to a lifeguard who is supposed to save those who are drowning. The sign would read:

NOTICE: THIS LIFEGUARD WILL ONLY BECOME EFFECTIVE IF YOU TRUST HIM. BETTER NOT BE UNCONSCIOUS. BETTER NOT DOUBT HE CAN SAVE YOU. BETTER NOT BE AFRAID.

Many people don't believe Jesus can save without the help of those who need saving!

This is so ridiculous. The Bible says what is necessary for salvation. Ignore it or accept. It really is that simple.

[Bright Hope for Tomorrow]

Originally Posted by lifesigns64

Jesus can do whatever he wants . . .this we agree on . . . but he already came and told us His plan . . .not Our plan . . . . His Plan.

Yes he did. We also agree on that, but don't agree on what he told us His plan is. I think his plan couldn't have been more wonderful and merciful and loving. Many here won't admit it on this forum, but know that if it were up to them, they would have come up with a much better plan than the one they believe Jesus has.

[Bright Hope for Tomorrow]

Originally Posted by CantWait2Leave

This is so ridiculous. The Bible says what is necessary for salvation. Ignore it or accept. It really is that simple.

What does it say is necessary for salvation?

Admit-Believe-Confess-Don't Fall From Grace, though.
Admit-Believe-Confess - You're saved forever.
Baptism
Works
Be all confessed-up at the moment of death

It's really not that simple. Denominations can't even agree.

What is simple is that Jesus is the Savior of the World and God is Love. He created every person and will reconcile every one to Himself. He is the Good Shepard and not even one sheep will remain lost because He will seek him out Himself.

[CantWait2Leave]

Originally Posted by Bright Hope for Tomorrow

What does it say is necessary for salvation?

Admit-Believe-Confess-Don't Fall From Grace, though.
Admit-Believe-Confess - You're saved forever.
Baptism
Works
Be all confessed-up at the moment of death

It's really not that simple. Denominations can't even agree.

What is simple is that Jesus is the Savior of the World and God is Love. He created every person and will reconcile every one to Himself. He is the Good Shepard and not even one sheep will remain lost because He will seek him out Himself.

Romans 10:9 "If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved."

[Bright Hope for Tomorrow]

Originally Posted by CantWait2Leave

Romans 10:9 "If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved."

Is your answer that you don't agree with the denominations that believe you must be baptized, have works, or be confessed-up? I certainly can't argue that point since I believe salvation is a free gift from God, but I'm sure there are some on this board that wouldn't mind debating that issue on another thread. My point is, it's not "that simple." There are many different rules of salvation within the denominations. Close enough? Tell that to the person who believes you must be baptized, and their loved one wasn't when they died. I personally know people in that situation. That scriputure you quoted is of no comfort to them.

What is simple is that God IS love. Jesus is the Savior of the World. He came to seek and to save the lost. He will accomplish everything that the Father appointed for Him to do. Death and the grave will be defeated. Christ will not fail in His mission.

[CantWait2Leave]

Originally Posted by Bright Hope for Tomorrow

Is your answer that you don't agree with the denominations that believe you must be baptized, have works, or be confessed-up? I certainly can't argue that point since I believe salvation is a free gift from God, but I'm sure there are some on this board that wouldn't mind debating that issue on another thread. My point is, it's not "that simple." There are many different rules of salvation within the denominations. Close enough? Tell that to the person who believes you must be baptized, and their loved one wasn't when they died. I personally know people in that situation. That scriputure you quoted is of no comfort to them.

What is simple is that God IS love. Jesus is the Savior of the World. He came to seek and to save the lost. He will accomplish everything that the Father appointed for Him to do. Death and the grave will be defeated. Christ will not fail in His mission.

My answer is Romans 10:9. It does not say you must be baptized to be saved. I grew up going to a Baptist elementary school, middle school and high school and never once did I hear that you must be baptized to be saved. Dancing, well, that's another story

[Bright Hope for Tomorrow]

Originally Posted by CantWait2Leave

My answer is Romans 10:9. It does not say you must be baptized to be saved. I grew up going to a Baptist elementary school, middle school and high school and never once did I hear that you must be baptized to be saved. Dancing, well, that's another story

I'm a member of the Baptist church, so I get that. I grew up with friends who definitely believed you had to be baptized for salvation (not Baptists), and there was a thread a few weeks ago arguing that point. I was just saying that it's not that "simple" because there are many Christian denominations with different messages of how to be saved.

If a seeker asked questions to members of different denominations, there would be major confusion. I have come to believe in once-saved-always-saved in a different way. Once saved at the cross when Jesus died - always saved. All the different paths taught throughout Christianity are no longer confusing to me since I realize Jesus did the saving Himself without our help.