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That is what it is about - it is each of us seeking truth individually and finding others here who have the same questions that we do and are seeking to 'know God'
We all do not agree with each other on doctrine but we all do agree that God is love and that while we were yet sinners he loved us and drew us to him --- if he does it only for some of the sinners and not other sinners, where is the justice? Why me and not my neighbour? especially when we read this
Meerkat2. Thank you, Thank you, Thank you for stating this
We DO NOT HAVE TO AGREE about everything - as when we fight and bicker it takes us away from what is important.
We become stronger when we realize who God really is. He is a Loving Heavenly Father. He guides our hearts to seek his Love. As you seek to love God beyond all things, you will see the Love that He has for all His children. You will see what His Will is for you, and you will consequently inspire others to recognize what God's Will is for them.
That statement is true, but why are you stating that on a thread about UR? There are consequences, but no one knows exactly what they are. UR people love God and understand His character and know that His judgment will be fair and not eternal torture. God didn't just "offer a gospel" by the way. He sent his Son to be the Savior of the world and He didn't fail.
Bright hope - Twin spin is saying that there are ETERNAL consequences for unbelief
It's not loving to let unbelievers think that there is no absolute eternal consequece for unbelief beyond life. It is offering a gospel other than what God offered.
Romans 3:19
Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God.
John 5:28-30
for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and come out—those who have done good will rise to live, and those who have done evil will rise to be condemned.
John 3:36
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him."
1 John 5:10
Anyone who believes in the Son of God has this testimony in his heart. Anyone who does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because he has not believed the testimony God has given about his Son.
1 John 5:10 explains what God meant as to "all liars" in the list that will not make it into heaven. But mockers do what they do best........
It's not loving to let unbelievers think that there is no absolute eternal consequece for unbelief beyond life. It is offering a gospel other than what God offered.
Romans 3:19
Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God.
John 5:28-30
for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and come out—those who have done good will rise to live, and those who have done evil will rise to be condemned.
John 3:36
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him."
1 John 5:10
Anyone who believes in the Son of God has this testimony in his heart. Anyone who does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because he has not believed the testimony God has given about his Son.
1 John 5:10 explains what God meant as to "all liars" in the list that will not make it into heaven. But mockers do what they do best........
Its not loving to tell (or threaten) unbelievers with an eternal consequence that is false.
The verses you quote above do not suggest an eternal hell unless you are already biased to believe they do.
Its not loving to tell (or threaten) unbelievers with an eternal consequence that is false.
The verses you quote above do not suggest an eternal hell unless you are already biased to believe they do.
What is loving is to tell people about Jesus, and how He is the only way to Heaven and believing in Him, asking Him into your heart to forgive you of your sins. What is loving is to explain to explain how Jesus is not just "hell insurance" but what He can do for us now. And what is loving is also explaining to people the eternal consequences of not believing in Him.
Originally Posted by Bright Hope for Tomorrow That statement is true, but why are you stating that on a thread about UR? There are consequences, but no one knows exactly what they are. UR people love God and understand His character and know that His judgment will be fair and not eternal torture. God didn't just "offer a gospel" by the way. He sent his Son to be the Savior of the world and He didn't fail.
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Bright hope - Twin spin is saying that there are ETERNAL consequences for unbelief
Oh, yeah. I missed that point. Then, Twin's right that UR doesn't agree that people will be punished infinitely for sin or unbelief in this finite life.
What is loving is to tell people about Jesus, and how He is the only way to Heaven and believing in Him, asking Him into your heart to forgive you of your sins. What is loving is to explain to explain how Jesus is not just "hell insurance" but what He can do for us now. And what is loving is also explaining to people the eternal consequences of not believing in Him.
You defeat yourself here. You claim Jesus is not "hell insurance" while also claiming Jesus is the only way to escape "eternal consequences" A.K.A. "hell". If Jesus is the only way to escape hell, then He is the ticket out of hell. He is hell insurance by your own words.
I understand that you believe it is loving to tell people this message, because you believe that there really is a hellish afterlife that we need to be saved from.
But the truth is that Jesus is saving us from sin and the life of sin we have right now. If you would only examine the scriptures and study how certain words have been mistranslated (mistranslations which cause contradictions in our English translations), then you would see there are no eternal consequences.
So perhaps you are simply unwilling to go beyond what you have been taught you think the bible says.
You defeat yourself here. You claim Jesus is not "hell insurance" while also claiming Jesus is the only way to escape "eternal consequences" A.K.A. "hell". If Jesus is the only way to escape hell, then He is the ticket out of hell. He is hell insurance by your own words.
I understand that you believe it is loving to tell people this message, because you believe that there really is a hellish afterlife that we need to be saved from.
But the truth is that Jesus is saving us from sin and the life of sin we have right now. If you would only examine the scriptures and study how certain words have been mistranslated (mistranslations which cause contradictions in our English translations), then you would see there are no eternal consequences.
So perhaps you are simply unwilling to go beyond what you have been taught you think the bible says.
Are you saying Jesus is not the only way to Heaven? He most definitely is our ONLY way to escape hell. But like I said He is so much MORE than that. I have studied the Scriptures and what I have been taught is from the Holy Spirit, and that is hell is eternal separation from God, to say otherwise is not Biblical.
Are you saying Jesus is not the only way to Heaven? He most definitely is our ONLY way to escape hell. But like I said He is so much MORE than that. I have studied the Scriptures and what I have been taught is from the Holy Spirit, and that is hell is eternal separation from God, to say otherwise is not Biblical.
I have studied the scriptures and what I have been taught is from the Holy Spirit and that is hell is not eternal separation from God, to say otherwise is not biblical.
Are you saying Jesus is not the only way to Heaven?
No I'm not saying that at all. I agree He is the only way to be saved, and He is the only way to the Father.
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He most definitely is our ONLY way to escape hell. But like I said He is so much MORE than that.
What I was saying is He is not the way ("only" or otherwise) to be saved from eternal hell - because there is no eternal hell to be saved from.
Yes He is so much more than that... but if there really was an eternal hell, nothing else should matter except to get hell insurance - which IMHO is what Jesus is reduced to under your view.
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I have studied the Scriptures and what I have been taught is from the Holy Spirit, and that is hell is eternal separation from God, to say otherwise is not Biblical.
Keep studying. Peace...
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Then, Twin's right that UR doesn't agree that people will be punished infinitely for sin or unbelief in this finite life.
He most definitely is our ONLY way to escape hell. But like I said He is so much MORE than that. I have studied the Scriptures and what I have been taught is from the Holy Spirit, and that is hell is eternal separation from God, to say otherwise is not Biblical.
