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So, what do Mormons teach about Jesus, his death on the cross, what it means to us, etc.?
We believe that He voluntarily, and out of a love so great we cannot even begin to comprehend it, took upon himself the sins of the world, suffered unspeakable pain, died on the cross, and rose again the third day. Being the Only Begotten Son of God, He was the only perfect person who ever lived, the only person to have been able to have assumed our guilt and pay the price for our sins. He is our only hope for eternal life and salvation, the only means by which we can be reconciled to our Father in Heaven and return to His presence.
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And why the book from Joseph Smith?
It is another testament of Jesus Christ, another witness to His divinity and power to save us.
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It is equivalent to, or maybe even more revered than the Bible?
They are considered to be equal. They are both believed to contain God's word.
We believe that He voluntarily, and out of a love so great we cannot even begin to comprehend it, took upon himself the sins of the world, suffered unspeakable pain, died on the cross, and rose again the third day. Being the Only Begotten Son of God, He was the only perfect person who ever lived, the only person to have been able to have assumed our guilt and pay the price for our sins. He is our only hope for eternal life and salvation, the only means by which we can be reconciled to our Father in Heaven and return to His presence.
It is another testament of Jesus Christ, another witness to His divinity and power to save us.
They are considered to be equal. They are both believed to contain God's word.
Thanks for the answers. I'm from a fairly small town in the Biblebelt where there are not many Mormons. I do know that the ones I've met seem to be lovely people, and I love the focus on the importance of family. I read that instead of a weekly church service, you are supposed to have a weekly family time of togetherness. I think that sounds great. God bless! Oops - the thread is slipping out of control!
I have read every single response. I keep asking the question hoping that those reading their own answers will realize something about their answer.
God's good judgments are not to be forgotten. By claiming that the only way you can be happy in heaven is to forget what you say you believe is God's good, fair judgment you are making a unintentional statement.
Do you follow what I'm saying here?
Again - I am not looking for a specific answer. It's your answer to give and I am asking the same question about the answer because of a disconnect between the answer and the fact that all God's judgments are good and not something be forgotten about.
I'd like to bring out some other points as the thread moves on. Thanks for your responses.
This above kind of sorts out the motive for the thread. It really puzzles me for folks to say what I've said here so many times, about how fair and just and good eternal torment in hell is but yet they want no knowledge of it in the afterlife.
I understand the question may seem bizarre to some but really - if you think it's the truth and it's the result of perfect love in action - why all the distancing and forgetting?
And to all the URs - I'm not wanting to debate that so much - but rather discuss why folks don't want to remember the (I know it's getting old) good, perfect, just, fair acts of God which (some say) all knew and understood and agreed to.
Why is this such a problem in your minds that you wish all knowledge of it totally removed?
(To Rejoicer: I know you've answered it's because you don't want to be sad. Wouldn't you rather be more like you believe God is? That is - to be fine with the full knowledge that He has been fair and just and good rather than forgetting it all?)
And please don't accuse me of being disingenuous unless you are prepared to explain to me what I am doing wrong. I am asking honest questions as far as I know.
It all goes back to hell. No one wants to go there. No one want to be responsible for their actions either.
So they shake it off as a lie and false to make life guiltless for them so they can freely keep sinning...You'll learn some things.
"The wages of sin, is death; the only thing anyone earns."
Thanks for the answers. I'm from a fairly small town in the Biblebelt where there are not many Mormons. I do know that the ones I've met seem to be lovely people, and I love the focus on the importance of family.
Thank you!
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I read that instead of a weekly church service, you are supposed to have a weekly family time of togetherness. I think that sounds great.
Not "instead of." "In addition to." We spend three hours in Church every Sunday. Monday nights are supposed to be set aside for family time.
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God bless! Oops - the thread is slipping out of control!
You, too, Bright Hope. And yes, we seem to have stayed...
Since there isn't a church for Christian Universalists, I go to the Baptist church because at least it teaches once-saved-always-saved.
Bright Hope, could you explain something to me, please. I'm trying to figure out how OSAS fits in with UR. Maybe you can help me out. I'm kind of assuming (maybe wrongly) that you believe a person is "saved" at some moment in time when he is born again, after which nothing can change his status back to "unsaved." From that point onward, he is "saved." Now, let's say that someone dies without being "saved." According to your belief in a universation reconciliation, when is that person saved? Thanks in advance for your explanation.
I really don't have time nor the inclination to continue a debate with disingenuous people...
Latin, insincerus; not genuine, not pure, adulterated.
"Eternal punishment in Hell; the Lake of Fire that men built."
Eternal punishment is impossible, as the eternal (aidios) has no beginning. And that which is eternal (without beginning or end) by its very nature is not mutable or liable to change. The words endless torment (timorion adialeipton) or eternal imprisonment (eirgmos aidios) do not appear anywhere in the Greek New Testament, at least not in conjunction. Whoever says that there is an eternal time set for punishment beyond this life is sadly mistaken. It's a limited duration of chastisement (aionion kalasin) or correction which is in view, but the day and hour that it begins and ends is unpredictable. And we know that death will come; however, the exact time is unknown. In general, the word aionion, depicts that of the unseen horizon which is not in view through times eternal; but is manifested now in the course of this life.
This above kind of sorts out the motive for the thread. It really puzzles me for folks to say what I've said here so many times, about how fair and just and good eternal torment in hell is but yet they want no knowledge of it in the afterlife.
I understand the question may seem bizarre to some but really - if you think it's the truth and it's the result of perfect love in action - why all the distancing and forgetting?
And to all the URs - I'm not wanting to debate that so much - but rather discuss why folks don't want to remember the (I know it's getting old) good, perfect, just, fair acts of God which (some say) all knew and understood and agreed to.
Why is this such a problem in your minds that you wish all knowledge of it totally removed?
(To Rejoicer: I know you've answered it's because you don't want to be sad. Wouldn't you rather be more like you believe God is? That is - to be fine with the full knowledge that He has been fair and just and good rather than forgetting it all?)
And please don't accuse me of being disingenuous unless you are prepared to explain to me what I am doing wrong. I am asking honest questions as far as I know.
Remember, (having the mind of Christ) they won't just be passive observers of God ceaselessly torturing billions for ever, but will have to be created in the image and likeness of God themselves. This requires that the "saved" will have to become Master Torturers who never forgive their victims and never are satisfied whith whatever their victims have suffed. They must be made to suffer more. All the while whispering in their ears, "I love you."
Then, to add insult to injury, regardless of being a disciple of Jesus, "With signs following," some think I'm damned to hell forever too for not accepting this doctrine of devils. They say I'm under a spirit of deception because I believe in "Jesus, the Savior of all" and I can't find any Biblical validation for their evil scenario. Neither can they; but that doesn't seem to phase them!
Remember, (having the mind of Christ) they won't just be passive observers of God ceaselessly torturing billions for ever, but will have to be created in the image and likeness of God themselves. This requires that the "saved" will have to become Master Torturers who never forgive their victims and never are satisfied whith whatever their victims have suffed. They must be made to suffer more. All the while whispering in their ears, "I love you."
Then, to add insult to injury, regardless of being a disciple of Jesus, "With signs following," some think I'm damned to hell forever too for not accepting this doctrine of devils. They say I'm under a spirit of deception because I believe in "Jesus, the Savior of all" and I can't find any Biblical validation for their evil scenario. Neither can they; but that doesn't seem to phase them!
That's a great point. Some here though have expressed that they believe 'hell' is only a purposeful separation from God, and don't really adhere to the church traditions about the actual conditions of hell.
Election is continuous, some are saved, some are not.
Acts 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, [even] as many as the Lord our God shall call.
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Oops - the thread is slipping out of control!
Monday nights are supposed to be set aside for family time.
