Christianity Divided- should we even care? (prayer, vain, faith, Catholic)

[tonytonytony]

You read the verses or don't believe the verses ?
You hear God in the book enough or you a 2 Cor. 4:3 person ?

Originally Posted by HotinAZ

I sure wish I could understand you. You seem to know a ton of scripture, but have a hard time explaining it. Why post all the scriptures without your understanding of them?

Because without it, it is all in vain.

[HotinAZ]

Originally Posted by tonytonytony

You read the verses or don't believe the verses ?
You hear God in the book enough or you a 2 Cor. 4:3 person ?

No, I hear God just fine and am not so blinded, if you cannot tell already by my posts. I post biblical verses when I need to back up what I am being led to say.

I want to HEAR how you read the verses in question, just not a random spamming post of nothing but verses. It is endless.

So, what is on your mind?

[meerkat2]

Originally Posted by tonytonytony

You read the verses or don't believe the verses ?
You hear God in the book enough or you a 2 Cor. 4:3 person ?

You do not have a good way of putting YOUR opinion across (this is a discussion forum) for discussing ideas, views.

You seem to just use lots of scripture cut from its context. It is not easy to read your posts.

[MysticPhD]

Originally Posted by meerkat2

You do not have a good way of putting YOUR opinion across (this is a discussion forum) for discussing ideas, views.

You seem to just use lots of scripture cut from its context. It is not easy to read your posts.

Tony 3-Times (sounds like a Mafia hit man) is a fundamentalist literalist bible believer, period . . . there is no thought or reasoning or opinion involved. I do find his posts intriguing in the way they are presented. They are a unique read and entertaining from that standpoint.

[Bright Hope for Tomorrow]

Originally Posted by ptsum

Bright Hope for Tomorrow & SisterKat, first off let me apologize for not getting back to you any sooner than now, I had to be away for a couple of days to meet with the doctors who performed my open-heart surgery, they wanted to do a follow-up and see how I was doing, which brings me to your inquiry. On February the 17th of this year I had open-heart surgery to replace the aortic valve in my heart, the surgery lasted for approximately 5 hours and during that period of time for approximately 1 hour I was clinically dead, my heart was stopped and during that period of time I experienced an unusual event, I was not in my body, I could look down and see the surgery that was going on and then I went and cross to the other side and was sitting amongst my ancestors, I learned many things and we sat and talked for a short while until my grandfather came to me and told me it was not my time yet and that I still had many things left to do, it was a peaceful experience at the time and I felt very much at ease amongst these spirits and that is why I know that when my time does come this is where I will go, because my grandfather told me so and I am not afraid of death, it is just crossing over to the other world.

I just now saw your post, ptsum. Awesome story. I do hope you'll seek God, but if so, you should seek him by praying first and then by reading the Bible for yourself. You might know from reading the forum that many of us here believe that God won't torture human beings. He's a good and holy and merciful God!

[ptsum]

Originally Posted by Bright Hope for Tomorrow

I just now saw your post, ptsum. Awesome story. I do hope you'll seek God, but if so, you should seek him by praying first and then by reading the Bible for yourself. You might know from reading the forum that many of us here believe that God won't torture human beings. He's a good and holy and merciful God!

Bright Hope for Tomorrow,I thank you for your concern,but know this,I do not believe in your Christian God and no disrespect intended.You have a belief that is suitable for you and I have one that is suitable for me and it is one that has been handed down through many, many generations,just as yours is,we traveled different paths but who's to say that they don't reach the same ultimatum,neither one of us know that,however I'll continue down my path just as you will continue down yours.Safe travels.osay

[firstborn888]

Originally Posted by tonytonytony

The enemies of God came together and paid bribes to Judas to kill Jesus.
That's unity but not Godly unity.

Yes it is. Without that there would have been no salvation.

Originally Posted by tonytonytony

Coming together to guard over the tomb of Jesus is ungodly.
That's unity ungodly.

No it's not. Without that there would be no proof His body wasn't stolen.

Originally Posted by tonytonytony

Coming together with opposing doctrines to any bible verse is ungodly.
That's unity ungodly.

Without contrasts (opposition) there is no clarity.

Originally Posted by tonytonytony

Coming together and acting like this is no issue is ungodly.
That's unity ungodly.

Oh, it's an issue alright.

[tonytonytony]

I admit I'm the wittiest person with English grammar yet the bible doesn't
obey all the English grammar rules all the time for that matter.

If I do have an opinion with bible issues the bible calls it a filthy rag
today-----Isaiah 64:6.

What is Tony's opinion to be so mindful of says David-----Psalms 8:4 ?

The bible defending itself with any bible verse for talk is where the heart
of the matter is for talk-----2 Peter 1:20-21.

God don't need a cute Shakespeare guy or person in the wisdom of man
to talk about any bible issues today or anytime soon---1 Cor. 1:25.

Wisdom of man is what it is------a filthy rag--------Isaiah 64:6.

Only big shot explaining any bible verse really is God only
says apostle John ----------1 John 2:27.

He not explaining any bible issues through us with the bible book all the
time then we must be in the flesh and not the Holy Spirit as a child of
God-------Romans 8:14.

That's what all the bible issue talk suppose to be about here if we
really Christians hearing God to talk------Romans 10:17.

Fools known by their many words only says Solomon in Proverbs.

Forget a lot of forum talk here w/o the book behind it all the
time---Acts 17:28.

It's all about the wisdom of God talking and never the wisdom of
man talking here--------1 Cor. 1:25.

If we talking about building a car or natural house then let's get in
the flesh or the wisdom of man for talk.

Solomon saying it's a time and season for all things-----Ecclesiates.

Originally Posted by meerkat2

You do not have a good way of putting YOUR opinion across (this is a discussion forum) for discussing ideas, views.

You seem to just use lots of scripture cut from its context. It is not easy to read your posts.

[tonytonytony]

Godly if you obeying 2 Corinthians 6:14-17 cause somebody don't believe
1 Peter 3:3 or the doctrine on attire and array.

Godly if you obeying 2 Corinthians 6:14-17 cause somebody don't believe
John 3:5 or the water baptism experience to be saved.

Godly if you obeying 2 Corinthians 6:14-17 cause somebody believe
Ephesians 2:8 on grace salvation only without Romans 6:1 on repentance too.

Godly if you obeying 2 Corinthians 6:14-17 cause somebody don't believe
James 5:20 or the bible on man rebuking another man with the bible if they are in Christian error.

Ungodly if you call unity a Christian meeting with people that believe in the grace of God for salvation only---Romans 6:1 ?

Ungodly if you call unity a Christian meeting with people that believe in thou shall not judge in the bible only----James 5:20 ?

Ungodly if you call unity a Christian meeting with people that believe in the bible on thou shall not commit adultery in the bed
only---Romans 7:2-3 ?

Ungodly if you call unity a Christian meeting with people that believe that
Christians can disagree on 10% of the bible and still be in
Christ as the church------2 Peter 1:20-21 & 2 Corinthians 6:14-17 ?

Godly if you obeying 2 Corinthians 6:14-17 cause somebody don't believe
it's way more to the Christian experience then common sense or the
wisdom of man or they just despise Romans 10:2-3 & Matthew 5:18-20 ?

Godly if you obeying 2 Cor. 6:14-17 cause somebody really don't
believe the Christian life in salvation has nothing to do with Hebrews 4 or
the Sabbath teaching at all ?

Ungodly if you call unity a Christian meeting with people that believe
that 90% of what the bible say is for a Christian only---John 8:31 ?

Ungodly if you call unity a Christian meeting with people that believe that
only big shots can understand the bible enough only----1 John 2:27 ?

Ungodly if you call unity a Christian meeting with people that believe that
everybody a child of God to hear God talking if they want to
ever----John 8:44 & John 10 ?

Well that's a great handful but I'm hardly getting started really.

You know if your Holy Spirit equip for eating God's word
or not----Matthew 4:4 & 2 Cor. 4:3 & also John 10 again.

Originally Posted by HotinAZ

Sometimes when I come here on the forums, all I see is division.

I wonder if I am supposed to even care that we are divided.

We are divided over what it takes to be saved:
We are divided over what happens to the lost souls after death:
We are divided over denominations and who is right and who is wrong:
We are divided over governments and which political affiliation we should follow:
We are divided over commandments as to which applies to the believer today:
We are divided over escatology and what is going to happen like the rapture and the second coming:

It is no wonder the devil has had his way with Christians. With as much division going on in the body, it has been easily conquered.

And oh yes, it has been conquered.

Out of government. Out of school. Out of the home. Out of the family. Out of the marriage. Out of child rearing. Out of the pastorial.

This truly is a Godless society, and sometimes I wonder if it isn't the Christian that is to blame.

Where is the unity? Where is the standards? Where is the Power of the Spirit? Where are the Anointed Preachers and Teachers? Where is the Honor parents deserve? Where is the love and honor that God demands?

What happened to our country? What happened to our faith collectively?

I am so saddened. It breaks my heart. Our God deserves more than we could ever give. Our King deserves everything, beginning with our absolute loyalty without submitting to another. Oh God, hear our prayers. Deliver us from this evil. I beseech you on behalf of the lost. I beseech you on behalf of the unborn children whom we have enslaved. I beseech you on behalf of the unborn child who was ripped out of the womb.

Oh Lord, hear our prayers. Unify us. Deliver us. Lead us.

[HotinAZ]

Originally Posted by tonytonytony

Godly if you obeying 2 Corinthians 6:14-17 cause somebody don't believe
1 Peter 3:3 or the doctrine on attire and array.

Godly if you obeying 2 Corinthians 6:14-17 cause somebody don't believe
John 3:5 or the water baptism experience to be saved.

Godly if you obeying 2 Corinthians 6:14-17 cause somebody believe
Ephesians 2:8 on grace salvation only without Romans 6:1 on repentance too.

Godly if you obeying 2 Corinthians 6:14-17 cause somebody don't believe
James 5:20 or the bible on man rebuking another man with the bible if they are in Christian error.

Ungodly if you call unity a Christian meeting with people that believe in the grace of God for salvation only---Romans 6:1 ?

Ungodly if you call unity a Christian meeting with people that believe in thou shall not judge in the bible only----James 5:20 ?

Ungodly if you call unity a Christian meeting with people that believe in the bible on thou shall not commit adultery in the bed
only---Romans 7:2-3 ?

Ungodly if you call unity a Christian meeting with people that believe that
Christians can disagree on 10% of the bible and still be in
Christ as the church------2 Peter 1:20-21 & 2 Corinthians 6:14-17 ?

Godly if you obeying 2 Corinthians 6:14-17 cause somebody don't believe
it's way more to the Christian experience then common sense or the
wisdom of man or they just despise Romans 10:2-3 & Matthew 5:18-20 ?

Godly if you obeying 2 Cor. 6:14-17 cause somebody really don't
believe the Christian life in salvation has nothing to do with Hebrews 4 or
the Sabbath teaching at all ?

Ungodly if you call unity a Christian meeting with people that believe
that 90% of what the bible say is for a Christian only---John 8:31 ?

Ungodly if you call unity a Christian meeting with people that believe that
only big shots can understand the bible enough only----1 John 2:27 ?

Ungodly if you call unity a Christian meeting with people that believe that
everybody a child of God to hear God talking if they want to
ever----John 8:44 & John 10 ?

Well that's a great handful but I'm hardly getting started really.

You know if your Holy Spirit equip for eating God's word
or not----Matthew 4:4 & 2 Cor. 4:3 & also John 10 again.

As usual, I am left going......

So, I question your barriers as far as languages go. What is your natural tongue? Because, simply, you leave a lot of us confused as to your points. And if you speak scriptures, and leave us confused, then you are not speaking forth the Word of God, because God is NOT the author of confusion.