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It has long seemed to me that many of the problems that arise in the RC church, and/or the Vatican, have to do with the very existence of the Vatican itself.
The Vatican is an independent mini-state, a relic of the vast Papal States of the Medieval and Renaissance eras. I believe that this historical anachronism infects the ranks of the upper clergy with a delusion and fascination with temperal power.
As has been pointed out, the Vatican is the only remaining full-blown Renaissance court in existence. The pomp and lavish etiquette and gold and bejeweled costuming that is the focus of its daily routine is, I believe, thoroughly corrosive to clerical humility.
I feel the RC church would experience an incredible renewal if its leaders could give up these worldy pretensions that have accumulated as the result of the politics of ages gone by.
There is no reason for the Roman Catholic church to exist as a state except for historical vanity.
Its not a correct title to Rescue Catholicism from Vatican, But in Heaven it would read ``Rescue the Vatican from the accuser media``........For the Media has done more damage to the Pope and his credability than any abusive Priest......See God knew about these abuses by Priest why do you not condemn the Lord, well thats nonsence, You dont blame God, so dont blame the Pope, blame the Priest if you have to blame someone........ As a Child of God and one who Supports the Pope in Prayer Jesus told me `` this will all pass in time``......So if you want to hear what Jesus says than bring supplication prayer for to bless the Pope......
This issue needs to be rescued from theologically amateur, yet boldly rhetoricising, journalists. The word 'Catholic' is not, and never was, descriptive of the 'RCC'. It is far more accurately termed Papalism, because its very claim to exist rests on its claim to leadership by a father, a mentor (or, termed papalism, because there are other, less famous popes). So, if the Roman papacy, the 'Holy Father', is threatened, his church of 'children', the whole structure underneath it, is threatened. Just as, if the Bible is found to be corrupt, the whole Protestant enterprise, Lutherans, Anglicans and all, is undermined. (It is not, as Carroll oh-so-predictably likes us to think, merely Protestant fundamentalists, whoever he imagines them to be, who are Scripturally based.) It is not fundamentalism that is at stake here- it is the very foundation of the RCC.
If, indeed, anything is at stake. It may be that replacing the current pope and some of his appointees will suffice to staunch the wounds, and everything will eventually carry on much as before. It depends on how ordinary Catholics perceive this difficulty. Is it an aberration, a malfunction of a legitimate, well-meaning institution? Or is it an inevitable consequence of a faulty concept and inadequate theology, whose human products are incapable of ever setting an example?
I don't think we need to rescue Catholicism for the Vatican, but instead we need to rescue the Vatican, with someone with a backbone, that won't let these atrocities stand. Personally I think it's similar to the what needs to be done with the Rep. Party in America.
I don't think we need to rescue Catholicism for the Vatican, but instead we need to rescue the Vatican, with someone with a backbone, that won't let these atrocities stand. Personally I think it's similar to the what needs to be done with the Rep. Party in America.
It is only the church as a institution that is in danger but as a methodist its more like the jews at the temple when christ came to it.I think we all need to realise that many institutions where their are children under authroity attracts those that one to abuse them. As a methoidist I know its not just in the catholic church either or just in chruch instituitons.Miilons of children as well as adults are sold into sex slavery in this world;we must not forget.
It is only the church as a institution that is in danger but as a methodist its more like the jews at the temple when christ came to it.I think we all need to realise that many institutions where their are children under authroity attracts those that one to abuse them.
It maybe too late to rescue Catholicism from it's bureaucratic base, which is centuries old and with reasonable success has withstood the test of time. Catholics are raised to respect the Vatican (having little knowledge of it's origins ). They respect that is where the Pope lives and makes decisions that they have been told are infallible (without error ). Actually,
thats the end of the story. Bad people then just go away. Catholics are good loving pseudo christian people victimized in a religion (many steeped in religiousity believing their zealousness represents Godliness when much is paganism and ritual side tracking, mediator worship, and non biblical manmade foolishness. Maybe this is true for 35% of Catholic doctrine the rest being based on true biblical teaching. The flaws occured over centuries of manufacturing many concepts,practices and ceremony not in keeping with scripture. Vatican continues to perpetuate the global nonsense heaped in vain repitition (ceremony/intercessory prayer to dieties.mediators,saints,dead,relics) I can't even eloborate without getting too disrespectful of a church that has done so much good for mankind. A dedicated clergy of priest, nuns,brothers,deacons,lay teachers etc. Makes you want to cry. (It' essential to understand they are as oblivious as Islamics or Hindu's to their misguided dogma making it just a sad study in human behavior and "religion") the later having a odd odor of twisted faith.
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