Are Good Catholics Heaven Bound? (paradise, Orthodox, Jewish, Lord)

[shibata]

Originally Posted by DNick

See there you go again spreading lies. We do NOT say we are justified by works. We are justified by faith, working in love.

If one is justifed by faith, one does not need a priest, a confession, a mass, a pope, a sacrament, anything of the sort. But you have all of those.

I do wish you would read what I write!

faith without works is dead.

Faith without works isn't faith.

[DNick]

Originally Posted by shibata

If one is justifed by faith, one does not need a priest, a confession, a mass, a pope, a sacrament, anything of the sort. But you have all of those.

I do wish you would read what I write!

I do read what you said. And again, we are not justified by faith alone. The bible actually says we are NOT saved by faith alone. So then what is your argument?

Originally Posted by shibata

Faith without works isn't faith.

So you agree you need faith and works.

[ted08721]

Originally Posted by DNick

The Church is the pillar and foundation of truth, so yes following that truth, from the church makes one a Good Catholic, others are merely Protestants in disguise. Does/has the church do/done bad things yes, but it has never taught something contrary to the truth. I've found all things taught to be very biblical. I do not follow blindly, but check and trust the 2000 years of tradition of the church.

Can you show me where in the catechism or in canon law where it says I am merely a Protestant in disguise, or did you just make that up.

The Church/hierarchy taught slavery was justified by some nonsense they call the "Natural Law" for almost 2,000 years, I guess you had to be pro slavery to be a "Good Catholic"

I think you confuse the hierarchy as being the Church.

[airō]

if you could please address my previous post, thanks.

Originally Posted by DNick

So you agree you need faith and works.

we do not work for our salvation, we work because we are saved. it comes natural to the born again believer. but when such works are done to earn righteousness (like through the sacraments) they are done in vain, for no one is righteous and no amount of work will make you more righteous. it is only by the righteousness of Jesus Christ imputed to the born again believer that we are made righteous.

Ephesians 2:8-9 is clear on this issue of grace alone by faith alone in Christ alone, and no work of yourselves.

[shibata]

Originally Posted by DNick

I do read what you said.

Then you ignore it. There can be no sensible dialogue unless there is willingness to deal with what people write.

we are not justified by faith alone.

Catholics need priests, pope and sacraments, because they are justified by works.

So you agree you need faith and works.

Not for justification.

If you don't read, you will be ignored.

[DNick]

Originally Posted by shibata

Then you ignore it. There can be no sensible dialogue unless there is willingness to deal with what people write.


Catholics need priests, pope and sacraments, because they are justified by works.


Not for justification.

If you don't read, you will be ignored.

Then I'm confused, what the hell am I not reading? Because I am reading. SO what am I missing that you so want me to see.

[shibata]

Originally Posted by DNick

Then I'm confused, what the hell am I not reading? Because I am reading. SO what am I missing that you so want me to see.

Just answer a few questions- that will be the easiest way.

Why does a Catholic go to Mass?

[DNick]

Originally Posted by shibata

Just answer a few questions- that will be the easiest way.

Why does a Catholic go to Mass?

To hear his word, and to eat and drink his flesh and blood, and to receive the grace from it.

[shibata]

Originally Posted by DNick

To hear his word, and to eat and drink his flesh and blood, and to receive the grace from it.

How does that differ from what a Lutheran does?

[DNick]

Originally Posted by shibata

How does that differ from what a Lutheran does?

They do not believe that the Eucharist is actually physically the body and blood of Christ.